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When visiting england recently, the main problem seemed to be that both red labour and “blue labour” have essentially the same policies regarding regulation (mo

When visiting england recently, the main problem seemed to be that both red labour and “blue labour” have essentially the same policies regarding regulation (more is better) and taxation (more is better), the only difference is deciding who pays the increased taxes, the poor or the rich. The idea of actually stimulating wealth creation, and then taxing it instead of taxing and regulating it into oblivion seems to have slipped everybody’s minds…

benjaminwootton 3y ago
Liz Truss was voted into power on that platform, but was then unceremoniously booted out a few weeks later when she actually tried to implement it and the bond and currency markets had a wobble. If only they could have weathered the storm, things might look very different by now.
- tonyedgecombe 3y ago
  Voted into power by the Tory party membership, not the general electorship. The problem Truss had was she was ignoring advice from the experts and proceeding based on faith. They couldn't weather the storm, they had already run aground and were about to break up on the rocks.
  - mike_hearn 3y ago
    Not even that actually. Members aren't allowed to directly pick the party leader, they can only choose between two alternatives put to them by the MPs. If the members directly elected party leaders it would be run by Kemi Badenoch, a black female conservative software engineer who when she was younger hacked the website of a Labour MP so it said nice things about the Tories.
KaiserPro 3y ago
> The idea of actually stimulating wealth creation, and then taxing it The problem is, the UK has not actually been responsible for a lot of the minutia of running it's self, as it imported a bunch of regulation from the EU, which touched everything. Now, whilst we were in the single market, that worked reasonably well for us. Cheap skilled labour to plug our massive skills gap, lots of low tarrif countries to export to (although a lot of our exports are/were services which had higher barriers.) Now, 2007 came and that gave everyone an austerity fetish. The problem is that all of that reform and infrastructure that requires maintenance is now reaching end of life, but as its not been carried out for >10 years its all breaking at once. > What could we do to stimulate the economy? negotiate a real trade deal with the EU, our closest and biggest partner. However that means admitting that the _way_ brexit was handled was wrong, buy all sides. The remainers were against _any_ change, which meant that the first deal was voted down, causing us to leave the customs union and sort of single market. the brexiters couldn't handle any kind of compromise on "hard" brexit, and the backstop was the antichrist, because sovereignty, teaming up with the hardcore remainers to block the aforementioned deal (all be it for very different reasons) Thus we were left with the shit that johnson cooked up in the brief moments between naps, fucking his mistress, and selling access/assets/secrets to renovate his apartment (amongst other things) So we are now left with the odd situation where everyone knows, and largely agrees that brexit has fucked the UK. However we _cannot_ admit that, because that means we were wrong, and therefore like vegetables to a three year old, we must blend, disguise and generally hide any kind of closer cooperation with the EU lest the press, gammons/FBPE(pro/anti brexit nutters on twitter) realise whats going on.
politelemon 3y ago
I feel we should only be able to elect tourists to the Parliament, Congress, Bundestag, etc. They always seem to know how to diagnose problems and run the nation better than people who've been living there for years!
- drt5b7j 3y ago
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benjaminwootton 3y ago

Liz Truss was voted into power on that platform, but was then unceremoniously booted out a few weeks later when she actually tried to implement it and the bond and currency markets had a wobble. If only they could have weathered the storm, things might look very different by now.

tonyedgecombe 3y ago
Voted into power by the Tory party membership, not the general electorship. The problem Truss had was she was ignoring advice from the experts and proceeding based on faith. They couldn't weather the storm, they had already run aground and were about to break up on the rocks.
- mike_hearn 3y ago
  Not even that actually. Members aren't allowed to directly pick the party leader, they can only choose between two alternatives put to them by the MPs. If the members directly elected party leaders it would be run by Kemi Badenoch, a black female conservative software engineer who when she was younger hacked the website of a Labour MP so it said nice things about the Tories.

KaiserPro 3y ago

> The idea of actually stimulating wealth creation, and then taxing it The problem is, the UK has not actually been responsible for a lot of the minutia of running it's self, as it imported a bunch of regulation from the EU, which touched everything. Now, whilst we were in the single market, that worked reasonably well for us. Cheap skilled labour to plug our massive skills gap, lots of low tarrif countries to export to (although a lot of our exports are/were services which had higher barriers.) Now, 2007 came and that gave everyone an austerity fetish. The problem is that all of that reform and infrastructure that requires maintenance is now reaching end of life, but as its not been carried out for >10 years its all breaking at once. > What could we do to stimulate the economy? negotiate a real trade deal with the EU, our closest and biggest partner. However that means admitting that the _way_ brexit was handled was wrong, buy all sides. The remainers were against _any_ change, which meant that the first deal was voted down, causing us to leave the customs union and sort of single market. the brexiters couldn't handle any kind of compromise on "hard" brexit, and the backstop was the antichrist, because sovereignty, teaming up with the hardcore remainers to block the aforementioned deal (all be it for very different reasons) Thus we were left with the shit that johnson cooked up in the brief moments between naps, fucking his mistress, and selling access/assets/secrets to renovate his apartment (amongst other things) So we are now left with the odd situation where everyone knows, and largely agrees that brexit has fucked the UK. However we _cannot_ admit that, because that means we were wrong, and therefore like vegetables to a three year old, we must blend, disguise and generally hide any kind of closer cooperation with the EU lest the press, gammons/FBPE(pro/anti brexit nutters on twitter) realise whats going on.

politelemon 3y ago

I feel we should only be able to elect tourists to the Parliament, Congress, Bundestag, etc. They always seem to know how to diagnose problems and run the nation better than people who've been living there for years!

drt5b7j 3y ago
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