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The UK has a recent history of sweeping child abuse under the rug when it involves minorities or famous personalities. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherh

The UK has a recent history of sweeping child abuse under the rug when it involves minorities or famous personalities. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploit... or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile_sexual_abuse_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile_sexual_abuse_scan... for two examples.

vinay427 3y ago
It also has a recent history of racial discrimination targeting minorities as a result of false accusations of child abuse, so it's worth making sure there isn't an overcorrection particularly in a society where people sometimes still attribute random individuals together based on perceived ethnic origin. See https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/04/how-eleanor-williamss-lies-about-grooming-and-abuse-unravelled https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/04/how-eleanor-... for one example.
ChrisKnott 3y ago
You've sleight-of-handed out "government" for "the UK" and linked two stories which don't really involve the UK government. Furthermore if you read your own links, you will see that the "recent history" of the Rotherham offending is that there is an enormous police investigation costing tens of millions of pounds and a large number of people have been convicted, and the "recent history" of the fallout from Jimmy Saville is that another extremely well-funded enquiry was conducted (IICSA). The general idea that the UK is particularly accomodating to paedophiles, or that an unusual number of powerful people in the UK are paedophiles, is not supported by evidence. This meme mainly comes from a serial liar, Carl Beech, who's lies were credulously reported by people who should have known better.
- generationP 3y ago
  Local police is a part of the government as far as the laws in question are concerned; it's them who will be using or abusing the surveillance powers granted by the law. And the Rotherham scandal took two decades to be addressed, due not least to fierce political interference.
  - ChrisKnott 3y ago
    What surveillance powers? Granted by what law?
    - PawgerZ 3y ago
      Don't be dense. Look at the thread you're in
      - ChrisKnott 3y ago
        The Online Safety Bill doesn't grant any surveillance powers, as far as I'm aware...?

vinay427 3y ago

It also has a recent history of racial discrimination targeting minorities as a result of false accusations of child abuse, so it's worth making sure there isn't an overcorrection particularly in a society where people sometimes still attribute random individuals together based on perceived ethnic origin. See https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/04/how-eleanor-williamss-lies-about-grooming-and-abuse-unravelled https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/04/how-eleanor-... for one example.

ChrisKnott 3y ago

You've sleight-of-handed out "government" for "the UK" and linked two stories which don't really involve the UK government. Furthermore if you read your own links, you will see that the "recent history" of the Rotherham offending is that there is an enormous police investigation costing tens of millions of pounds and a large number of people have been convicted, and the "recent history" of the fallout from Jimmy Saville is that another extremely well-funded enquiry was conducted (IICSA). The general idea that the UK is particularly accomodating to paedophiles, or that an unusual number of powerful people in the UK are paedophiles, is not supported by evidence. This meme mainly comes from a serial liar, Carl Beech, who's lies were credulously reported by people who should have known better.

generationP 3y ago
Local police is a part of the government as far as the laws in question are concerned; it's them who will be using or abusing the surveillance powers granted by the law. And the Rotherham scandal took two decades to be addressed, due not least to fierce political interference.
- ChrisKnott 3y ago
  What surveillance powers? Granted by what law?
  - PawgerZ 3y ago
    Don't be dense. Look at the thread you're in
    - ChrisKnott 3y ago
      The Online Safety Bill doesn't grant any surveillance powers, as far as I'm aware...?