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Or too busy? In plenty of families both parents have to work hard to make ends meet. Not helped by the fact that children are growing up in a completely differ

Or too busy? In plenty of families both parents have to work hard to make ends meet. Not helped by the fact that children are growing up in a completely different environment to the one their parents remember. Familiarizing myself with TikTok or whatever the kids are into these days would fill me with dread. And the way platforms work means my experience of them would differ dramatically from a child's anyway.

hackncheese 3y ago
Wish I could upvote this harder lol. Parents really dont have enough time/energy to do this better than people who are trained in software/legislation. Especially if they have more than 2 kids/are single parents
- scarface_74 3y ago
  So you trust the competence and the ethics of the government?
  - hackncheese 3y ago
    Id say i trust the competence of government in this arena more than that of parents on average. If someone is working on policy day in and day out for tech related things, they will have a better lay of the land than the average parent. However, you bring up a good point about ethics. A parent will definitely be far more acting in the best interest of their child compared to the government. An interesting quandry, good point
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      The other test is what can the “other” party do with any power you give the government. I define “other” as the party with viewpoints you are opposed to.
- SpaghettiCthulu 3y ago
  Sounds like we need a cultural shift away from governments involving themselves in parenting to governments ensuring parents have adequate time to parent.
basisword 3y ago
>> Familiarizing myself with TikTok or whatever the kids are into these days would fill me with dread. You don't need to. Don't give them devices until they're 16, and then implement the built in parental controls that come on every smartphone. When they are 18 and can buy their own, they can do what they want. I'm guessing your actual issue isn't familiarizing yourself with TikTok etc, but is instead facing conflict. I'm not saying it would be easy but pretending the above isn't a workable solution is self-deception.
- anonymous_sorry 3y ago
  No, I'm just trying to empathise with busy parents rather than write off parents who struggle with this stuff as lazy. I know some parents give their children devices for safety reasons. For others, I guess they don't want their children to be socially isolated if all the other 14 year olds are chatting on messenger. My only point was that it can be hard, and that not everyone who fails at it is lazy. It sounds like we are mostly in agreement.
  - basisword 3y ago
    Oh yeah I get that. My point was more that there is a simple solution that requires almost no time investment (i.e. a good option for busy parents). It might not be for everyone but it’s a solution that is to easily dismissed very often.
callalex 3y ago
Modern devices are chock full of features that will work hard for parents while they aren’t even thinking about it. If the can’t be bothered to turn those features on, they shouldn’t be providing the devices in the first place.

hackncheese 3y ago

Wish I could upvote this harder lol. Parents really dont have enough time/energy to do this better than people who are trained in software/legislation. Especially if they have more than 2 kids/are single parents

scarface_74 3y ago
So you trust the competence and the ethics of the government?
- hackncheese 3y ago
  Id say i trust the competence of government in this arena more than that of parents on average. If someone is working on policy day in and day out for tech related things, they will have a better lay of the land than the average parent. However, you bring up a good point about ethics. A parent will definitely be far more acting in the best interest of their child compared to the government. An interesting quandry, good point
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    The other test is what can the “other” party do with any power you give the government. I define “other” as the party with viewpoints you are opposed to.
SpaghettiCthulu 3y ago
Sounds like we need a cultural shift away from governments involving themselves in parenting to governments ensuring parents have adequate time to parent.

basisword 3y ago

>> Familiarizing myself with TikTok or whatever the kids are into these days would fill me with dread. You don't need to. Don't give them devices until they're 16, and then implement the built in parental controls that come on every smartphone. When they are 18 and can buy their own, they can do what they want. I'm guessing your actual issue isn't familiarizing yourself with TikTok etc, but is instead facing conflict. I'm not saying it would be easy but pretending the above isn't a workable solution is self-deception.

anonymous_sorry 3y ago
No, I'm just trying to empathise with busy parents rather than write off parents who struggle with this stuff as lazy. I know some parents give their children devices for safety reasons. For others, I guess they don't want their children to be socially isolated if all the other 14 year olds are chatting on messenger. My only point was that it can be hard, and that not everyone who fails at it is lazy. It sounds like we are mostly in agreement.
- basisword 3y ago
  Oh yeah I get that. My point was more that there is a simple solution that requires almost no time investment (i.e. a good option for busy parents). It might not be for everyone but it’s a solution that is to easily dismissed very often.

callalex 3y ago

Modern devices are chock full of features that will work hard for parents while they aren’t even thinking about it. If the can’t be bothered to turn those features on, they shouldn’t be providing the devices in the first place.