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That pricing sounds fair. Unfortunately, I feel that's the exception. Adobe Dreamweaver CS6 was $400 [1]. Now Dreamweawer Creative Cloud is $250 per year [2]. S

That pricing sounds fair. Unfortunately, I feel that's the exception. Adobe Dreamweaver CS6 was $400 [1]. Now Dreamweawer Creative Cloud is $250 per year [2]. So after 1.75 years, you've already taken a loss. [1] https://prodesigntools.com/products/adobe-cs6-pricing-list.html https://prodesigntools.com/products/adobe-cs6-pricing-list.h... [2] https://www.adobe.com/creativecloud/plans.html https://www.adobe.com/creativecloud/plans.html

cmeacham98 3y ago
I think Adobe's pricing is ridiculous, but this is uncharitable: 1. CS6 came out in 2012. According to the BLS calculator, $400 in 2012 is $532 today: https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=400.00&year1=201205&year2=202307 https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=400.00&year1=2... 2. You're cherry picking the worst one, do the math for CS6 After Effects at $999 (~$1.3k today) vs $21/month and you only break even after >5 years.
- cableshaft 3y ago
  Still possible to use CS6 today, it still works on Windows. So you would have definitely saved money by now if you still used it.
core-utility 3y ago
What would be more interesting is to compare over 10 years for someone who buys upgrades (CS2->CS3->CS4 etc.) as they come out. Additionally the individual Dreamweaver price is very high compared to "All Apps" plan at $660 per year.
- znpy 3y ago
  > What would be more interesting is to compare over 10 years for someone who buys upgrades (CS2->CS3->CS4 etc.) as they come out. but nobody does that, really. most people i know skip entire versions of windows (eg: 7->10), let a lone individual software releases.
  - codetrotter 3y ago
    Heck, even pirates sometimes skip versions. I remember installing and using pirated versions of Photoshop 6, and then Photoshop 7, and then Creative Suite 2. I bought an academic license for Creative Suite 4 Master Collection. Later I subscribed to Creative Cloud for a while. But I swore to not buy from Adobe again after that because that was actually a bad experience.
  - hiq 3y ago
    You just reminded me that Windows 8 was a thing, I had to check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows#Version_history_2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows#Version_hist... to remember it.
  - Gigachad 3y ago
    Which is why subscription software is better for everyone. Everyone is on the latest version.
    - mrbadguy 3y ago
      Why does everyone have to be on the latest version?
      - Gigachad 3y ago
        They don't, It's just a better result for the users who get newer and better software, and a better result for the sellers who only have to support one version and get a consistent cash flow.
        112233 3y ago
        But what if it is newer and not better? Lightroom regularly breaks plugin compatibility, increases resource consumption and processing time, or simply stops working. If your workflow depends on software, that no longer works after a forced update, what are your options? There are people running ancient MacOS versions, because that allows them to keep using professional firewire audio interfaces they have. How would subscription model that breaks expensive hardware compatibility, breaks all your existing photo/video projects (aperture/final cut), or breaks compatibility with really expensive plugins needed for work be better for users?
dbg31415 3y ago
It’s been along time since Adobe was that cheap. (= I don’t want to defend Adobe, but inflation is real. And they used to have upgrades that cost less money. I think this price is more or less what it used to be, the real advantages of that everyone’s just up-to-date all the time. I can’t imagine trying to support software on like 20 different versions, that would’ve been insanity for the support team. Keeping everyone on one version is probably the real cost savings money maker for Adobe here. =P
scarface_74 3y ago
And for that $400 you got to run on one computer. Office used to be $600 for one copy that could run on one operating system. I can now get an Office 365 subscription for $99 a year for five users and I can use it on my Mac, a Windows PC, iPad, iPhone and all five users get 1TB of storage each
- joe5150 3y ago
  Plus the latest version of the software. I would still be using Office 2013 if I had to pay what I paid for it to upgrade every release (multiplied by the half a dozen or so O365 licenses I'm currently using.)
- zamadatix 3y ago
  Office is also just cheaper, it's 1/4 the price for the lifetime license than it used to be. The family offering is still the best deal I've seen to get it though. Not all subscriptions allow multiple users or even you to use it at the same time on multiple devices though, Office is just pushing that sale.

cmeacham98 3y ago

I think Adobe's pricing is ridiculous, but this is uncharitable: 1. CS6 came out in 2012. According to the BLS calculator, $400 in 2012 is $532 today: https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=400.00&year1=201205&year2=202307 https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=400.00&year1=2... 2. You're cherry picking the worst one, do the math for CS6 After Effects at $999 (~$1.3k today) vs $21/month and you only break even after >5 years.

cableshaft 3y ago
Still possible to use CS6 today, it still works on Windows. So you would have definitely saved money by now if you still used it.

core-utility 3y ago

What would be more interesting is to compare over 10 years for someone who buys upgrades (CS2->CS3->CS4 etc.) as they come out. Additionally the individual Dreamweaver price is very high compared to "All Apps" plan at $660 per year.

znpy 3y ago
> What would be more interesting is to compare over 10 years for someone who buys upgrades (CS2->CS3->CS4 etc.) as they come out. but nobody does that, really. most people i know skip entire versions of windows (eg: 7->10), let a lone individual software releases.
- codetrotter 3y ago
  Heck, even pirates sometimes skip versions. I remember installing and using pirated versions of Photoshop 6, and then Photoshop 7, and then Creative Suite 2. I bought an academic license for Creative Suite 4 Master Collection. Later I subscribed to Creative Cloud for a while. But I swore to not buy from Adobe again after that because that was actually a bad experience.
- hiq 3y ago
  You just reminded me that Windows 8 was a thing, I had to check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows#Version_history_2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows#Version_hist... to remember it.
- Gigachad 3y ago
  Which is why subscription software is better for everyone. Everyone is on the latest version.
  - mrbadguy 3y ago
    Why does everyone have to be on the latest version?
    - Gigachad 3y ago
      They don't, It's just a better result for the users who get newer and better software, and a better result for the sellers who only have to support one version and get a consistent cash flow.
      - 112233 3y ago
        But what if it is newer and not better? Lightroom regularly breaks plugin compatibility, increases resource consumption and processing time, or simply stops working. If your workflow depends on software, that no longer works after a forced update, what are your options? There are people running ancient MacOS versions, because that allows them to keep using professional firewire audio interfaces they have. How would subscription model that breaks expensive hardware compatibility, breaks all your existing photo/video projects (aperture/final cut), or breaks compatibility with really expensive plugins needed for work be better for users?

dbg31415 3y ago

It’s been along time since Adobe was that cheap. (= I don’t want to defend Adobe, but inflation is real. And they used to have upgrades that cost less money. I think this price is more or less what it used to be, the real advantages of that everyone’s just up-to-date all the time. I can’t imagine trying to support software on like 20 different versions, that would’ve been insanity for the support team. Keeping everyone on one version is probably the real cost savings money maker for Adobe here. =P

scarface_74 3y ago

And for that $400 you got to run on one computer. Office used to be $600 for one copy that could run on one operating system. I can now get an Office 365 subscription for $99 a year for five users and I can use it on my Mac, a Windows PC, iPad, iPhone and all five users get 1TB of storage each

joe5150 3y ago
Plus the latest version of the software. I would still be using Office 2013 if I had to pay what I paid for it to upgrade every release (multiplied by the half a dozen or so O365 licenses I'm currently using.)
zamadatix 3y ago
Office is also just cheaper, it's 1/4 the price for the lifetime license than it used to be. The family offering is still the best deal I've seen to get it though. Not all subscriptions allow multiple users or even you to use it at the same time on multiple devices though, Office is just pushing that sale.