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RTO is there to remind you that despite claims of talent shortages and after taking into account the fact that a substantial portion of the workforce is okay wi

RTO is there to remind you that despite claims of talent shortages and after taking into account the fact that a substantial portion of the workforce is okay with returning to the office, for many companies the supply of talent is greater than the demand for talent.

toomuchtodo 3y ago
It is more convenient to attempt to unionize in person I suppose.
- borroka 3y ago
  Unionization is more likely to occur when the variance of workers' wages (in the technology sector, this is total compensation) is low. In tech, the variance of workers' wages is high.
  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    Only need a simple majority. By definition, the majority isn't high earning in a cohort. Agree we're just arguing over likelihood, won't know how serious people are until they're tired of being ground down by people like Jassy.
    - robertlagrant 3y ago
      > By definition, the majority isn't high earning in a cohort I don't think that's true here. A cohort doesn't have to have a particular distribution, and even if it does in this case, that doesn't mean the cohort isn't high earning relative to the rest of the population.
    - borroka 3y ago
      Most workers in the tech sector are young, and young people earning below-median salaries are salivating at the idea of moving, at some point in the near future, due to their skills, market conditions, luck or wishful thinking, into the above-median bracket. Add to that the fact that the job market for tech workers is extremely fluid, and I don't think unionization is going to happen anytime soon.
  - tuna74 3y ago
    Works pretty well in (US) professional sports and entertainment which has a really large wage variance.
    - borroka 3y ago
      Comparing one or two thousand workers in one industry (say NFL) with hundreds of thousands in another (tech) is rather daring
JSavageOne 3y ago
Hilarious that companies were complaining about tech shortages while simultaneously having interview processes consisting of multiple rounds of absurd competitive programming questions that require months of preparation for and have nothing to do with the job. There was never a talent shortage, that's just a narrative companies pushed to increase labor supply, lobby for more visas, and justify outsourcing
- screwturner68 3y ago
  A lot of this is because of WFM, 5 years ago when you applied for a job you had to compete with all the bozos within 50 miles looking for a job but now you have to compete with all the bozos in the country looking for a job. five years ago they'd get 20 CVs for a job and now they are getting 1000. Even if they job market is tighter companies don't notice because they are getting 50X the number of resumes for a job. Further they can hire some guy in South Dakota who will happily work for half of what some guy in Manhattan will work for. In short WFH has fucked things up, it's a lot like how online dating hasn't helped people find love people are lonelier than ever even though they have a much larger selection. We work better in person and in smaller groups.
  - sarchertech 3y ago
    I haven’t noticed hiring has gotten any worse since 2020. If anything I think 2020 was the peak of multiple rounds of ridiculous competitive programming challenges. The last few interviews I’ve had didn’t have any leet code style problems.
    - throwaway5959 3y ago
      Those companies should be celebrated.
  - plorkyeran 3y ago
    This isn't a new thing that just started in the last few years. The tech job interview process five years already had all of the bad things that it does today. Cracking the Coding Interview was published in 2008.

toomuchtodo 3y ago

It is more convenient to attempt to unionize in person I suppose.

borroka 3y ago
Unionization is more likely to occur when the variance of workers' wages (in the technology sector, this is total compensation) is low. In tech, the variance of workers' wages is high.
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  Only need a simple majority. By definition, the majority isn't high earning in a cohort. Agree we're just arguing over likelihood, won't know how serious people are until they're tired of being ground down by people like Jassy.
  - robertlagrant 3y ago
    > By definition, the majority isn't high earning in a cohort I don't think that's true here. A cohort doesn't have to have a particular distribution, and even if it does in this case, that doesn't mean the cohort isn't high earning relative to the rest of the population.
  - borroka 3y ago
    Most workers in the tech sector are young, and young people earning below-median salaries are salivating at the idea of moving, at some point in the near future, due to their skills, market conditions, luck or wishful thinking, into the above-median bracket. Add to that the fact that the job market for tech workers is extremely fluid, and I don't think unionization is going to happen anytime soon.
- tuna74 3y ago
  Works pretty well in (US) professional sports and entertainment which has a really large wage variance.
  - borroka 3y ago
    Comparing one or two thousand workers in one industry (say NFL) with hundreds of thousands in another (tech) is rather daring

JSavageOne 3y ago

Hilarious that companies were complaining about tech shortages while simultaneously having interview processes consisting of multiple rounds of absurd competitive programming questions that require months of preparation for and have nothing to do with the job. There was never a talent shortage, that's just a narrative companies pushed to increase labor supply, lobby for more visas, and justify outsourcing

screwturner68 3y ago
A lot of this is because of WFM, 5 years ago when you applied for a job you had to compete with all the bozos within 50 miles looking for a job but now you have to compete with all the bozos in the country looking for a job. five years ago they'd get 20 CVs for a job and now they are getting 1000. Even if they job market is tighter companies don't notice because they are getting 50X the number of resumes for a job. Further they can hire some guy in South Dakota who will happily work for half of what some guy in Manhattan will work for. In short WFH has fucked things up, it's a lot like how online dating hasn't helped people find love people are lonelier than ever even though they have a much larger selection. We work better in person and in smaller groups.
- sarchertech 3y ago
  I haven’t noticed hiring has gotten any worse since 2020. If anything I think 2020 was the peak of multiple rounds of ridiculous competitive programming challenges. The last few interviews I’ve had didn’t have any leet code style problems.
  - throwaway5959 3y ago
    Those companies should be celebrated.
- plorkyeran 3y ago
  This isn't a new thing that just started in the last few years. The tech job interview process five years already had all of the bad things that it does today. Cracking the Coding Interview was published in 2008.