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So people should be screwed out of their severance? Just lay people off, you hired them be an adult and fire them.

onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago
That's the whole point. Why fire people and pay them severance when you can get them to quit instead? Of course, you're going to lose the people with talent who can find other jobs - and retain the ones who can't. But seems like a trade they are eager to make.
- conductr 3y ago
  They are well versed at meat grinder operations.
- aeyes 3y ago
  Why even lay off with mutual agreements paying severance? Just fire people and deal with the consequences.
  - onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago
    > Why even lay off with mutual agreements paying severance? PR > Just fire people and deal with the consequences. Or why not reduce headcount and not deal with the consequences? That's what they're trying to do. Everyone has been bitter of tech workers for the better part of a decade. You're not going to lose points with the public for treating tech workers like normal workers.
  - rdtsc 3y ago
    Why deal with the consequences when they don’t have to?
- alfalfasprout 3y ago
  Yeah, the problem is the people most willing to just leave are the ones that can get something else reasonably fast (which end up being your better employees). AWS has been in decline in terms of quality for years now. They aren't innovating well and even higher turnover will only make things worse. Notice how Amazon is really far behind in LLMs despite having so many research scientists on staff.
throwawaysleep 3y ago
One thing I learned in adulthood is that smart (not necessarily ethical) people steal credit when things are good and avoid responsibility for anything unpopular as there is no payoff for it.
rdtsc 3y ago
They are on the hook for paying severance, unemployment insurance and such. If the employee is the one who “quit” well it’s “their choice”…
FFP999 3y ago
Yes but then that would mean less money for the company and the investors, so you see the difficulty that poses. /s

That's the whole point. Why fire people and pay them severance when you can get them to quit instead? Of course, you're going to lose the people with talent who can find other jobs - and retain the ones who can't. But seems like a trade they are eager to make.

conductr 3y ago
They are well versed at meat grinder operations.
aeyes 3y ago
Why even lay off with mutual agreements paying severance? Just fire people and deal with the consequences.
- onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago
  > Why even lay off with mutual agreements paying severance? PR > Just fire people and deal with the consequences. Or why not reduce headcount and not deal with the consequences? That's what they're trying to do. Everyone has been bitter of tech workers for the better part of a decade. You're not going to lose points with the public for treating tech workers like normal workers.
- rdtsc 3y ago
  Why deal with the consequences when they don’t have to?
alfalfasprout 3y ago
Yeah, the problem is the people most willing to just leave are the ones that can get something else reasonably fast (which end up being your better employees). AWS has been in decline in terms of quality for years now. They aren't innovating well and even higher turnover will only make things worse. Notice how Amazon is really far behind in LLMs despite having so many research scientists on staff.

throwawaysleep 3y ago

One thing I learned in adulthood is that smart (not necessarily ethical) people steal credit when things are good and avoid responsibility for anything unpopular as there is no payoff for it.

rdtsc 3y ago

They are on the hook for paying severance, unemployment insurance and such. If the employee is the one who “quit” well it’s “their choice”…

FFP999 3y ago

Yes but then that would mean less money for the company and the investors, so you see the difficulty that poses. /s