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So it seems from the news that it was industry that forced this, but do we know how effective our campaigning and emails to MPs were? Or just some un-noteworthy

So it seems from the news that it was industry that forced this, but do we know how effective our campaigning and emails to MPs were? Or just some un-noteworthy political cog wheel action? How could we find out? Do the reasons get leaked unofficially usually?

lozf 3y ago
We'd probably need to decrypt MP's WhatsApp messages to find out!
nonrandomstring 3y ago
Maybe don't over-rate the influence of the industry. The Conservative party's own members tore it to shreds. From: https://cybershow.uk/media/episodes/OSB1_r2_2023-08-27.mp3 https://cybershow.uk/media/episodes/OSB1_r2_2023-08-27.mp3 * "The source of the bill itself, the UK Conservative Party, has a significant number of its own critics calling it "fundamentally misdesigned" David Davis said its well-intentioned attempts may constitute "the biggest accidental curtailment of free speech in modern history." (* sadly my other sincere comment has been buried by people who apparently can't read past the first line)
- midasuni 3y ago
  David Davis is somewhat unusual - he actually resigned as MP to protest against an erosion of civil liberties (and stood on a civil liberty platform) Westminster will be a worse place when he goes, which I assume will be in next year’s election.
  - developer93 3y ago
    He knew he would get reelected though, it was more about publicity for the cause than principal.
    - midasuni 3y ago
      Oh no someone championing civil liberties You don’t get many MPs doing that - especially Tory ones.
      - developer93 3y ago
        I actually went down to campaign for him a few days ;-) I'm just pointing that out in the interests of having the full picture
traceroute66 3y ago
> do we know how effective our campaigning and emails to MPs were? Campaigning to your MP is and always has been a waste of time. In addition, the "safer" their seat, the more of a waste of space the MP is because they know their constituents would vote for a pig if the right coloured rosette pinned to it. Most of the time they don't bother replying, and then if they do reply, you get a two-page party political broadcast, followed by a generic paragraph about "how they understand your concern blah blah blah" but never addressing the point at hand.
- aembleton 3y ago
  Depends on the mp, but I've had success emailing them after getting all that standard blurb. They actual seen human then.
  - seabass-labrax 3y ago
    I know someone who writes very frequently to her MP with very reasonable criticisms of government activities. The MP always takes the time to respond, despite not actually changing her position in Parliament on any topic. Poor women to have to endure that - both of them!

lozf 3y ago

We'd probably need to decrypt MP's WhatsApp messages to find out!

nonrandomstring 3y ago

Maybe don't over-rate the influence of the industry. The Conservative party's own members tore it to shreds. From: https://cybershow.uk/media/episodes/OSB1_r2_2023-08-27.mp3 https://cybershow.uk/media/episodes/OSB1_r2_2023-08-27.mp3 * "The source of the bill itself, the UK Conservative Party, has a significant number of its own critics calling it "fundamentally misdesigned" David Davis said its well-intentioned attempts may constitute "the biggest accidental curtailment of free speech in modern history." (* sadly my other sincere comment has been buried by people who apparently can't read past the first line)

midasuni 3y ago
David Davis is somewhat unusual - he actually resigned as MP to protest against an erosion of civil liberties (and stood on a civil liberty platform) Westminster will be a worse place when he goes, which I assume will be in next year’s election.
- developer93 3y ago
  He knew he would get reelected though, it was more about publicity for the cause than principal.
  - midasuni 3y ago
    Oh no someone championing civil liberties You don’t get many MPs doing that - especially Tory ones.
    - developer93 3y ago
      I actually went down to campaign for him a few days ;-) I'm just pointing that out in the interests of having the full picture

traceroute66 3y ago

> do we know how effective our campaigning and emails to MPs were? Campaigning to your MP is and always has been a waste of time. In addition, the "safer" their seat, the more of a waste of space the MP is because they know their constituents would vote for a pig if the right coloured rosette pinned to it. Most of the time they don't bother replying, and then if they do reply, you get a two-page party political broadcast, followed by a generic paragraph about "how they understand your concern blah blah blah" but never addressing the point at hand.

aembleton 3y ago
Depends on the mp, but I've had success emailing them after getting all that standard blurb. They actual seen human then.
- seabass-labrax 3y ago
  I know someone who writes very frequently to her MP with very reasonable criticisms of government activities. The MP always takes the time to respond, despite not actually changing her position in Parliament on any topic. Poor women to have to endure that - both of them!