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Healthcare is most definitely producing goods. People will consume it much over their needs if it is free. A fire department or police are not, people will not

Healthcare is most definitely producing goods. People will consume it much over their needs if it is free. A fire department or police are not, people will not call the fire department for the fun of it, only if there is fire. That said, healthcare is definitely a troubling one because its interests do not align particularly well with a profit-driven model. It should probably have some kind of halfway model to discourage overt usage while ensuring people get healthcare in the scope they need it even if they have a bad financial situation. I don't have a good answer for it.

soperj 3y ago
> Healthcare is most definitely producing goods Services? Unless you're talking pharma? > people will not call the fire department for the fun of it People phone 911 all the time for very stupid stuff.
- waihtis 3y ago
  > People phone 911 all the time for very stupid stuff Is that so? In that case, it should cost money to call 911.
  - Apocryphon 3y ago
    It does. It's called salaries for emergency operators and it's paid for by your tax money.
    - waihtis 3y ago
      By your logic breathing costs money, since someone is paid to plant trees into the ground
insanejudge 3y ago
If only there was some sort of organization, beholden to the people by democratic election, which was obligated to protect and provide what does not particularly align well with a profit-driven model (military, roads and public transportation, fire & police services, sewer and water systems, GPS and weather reporting), to provide this other thing that does not align particularly well with a profit-driven model... hmm... everywhere it's been done universally and not under/defunded for electoral reasons, the combined economy of scale/standardization, removal of $100Bn+ middleman industries and cheap proactive preventative care saving on expensive emergency treatments more than completely negate the "people going to the doctor for funsies" cost
- waihtis 3y ago
  I was speaking on behalf of the US in this instance, I do not believe the US GOV is capable of pulling a working public healthcare program for their scale.

soperj 3y ago

> Healthcare is most definitely producing goods Services? Unless you're talking pharma? > people will not call the fire department for the fun of it People phone 911 all the time for very stupid stuff.

waihtis 3y ago
> People phone 911 all the time for very stupid stuff Is that so? In that case, it should cost money to call 911.
- Apocryphon 3y ago
  It does. It's called salaries for emergency operators and it's paid for by your tax money.
  - waihtis 3y ago
    By your logic breathing costs money, since someone is paid to plant trees into the ground

insanejudge 3y ago

If only there was some sort of organization, beholden to the people by democratic election, which was obligated to protect and provide what does not particularly align well with a profit-driven model (military, roads and public transportation, fire & police services, sewer and water systems, GPS and weather reporting), to provide this other thing that does not align particularly well with a profit-driven model... hmm... everywhere it's been done universally and not under/defunded for electoral reasons, the combined economy of scale/standardization, removal of $100Bn+ middleman industries and cheap proactive preventative care saving on expensive emergency treatments more than completely negate the "people going to the doctor for funsies" cost

waihtis 3y ago
I was speaking on behalf of the US in this instance, I do not believe the US GOV is capable of pulling a working public healthcare program for their scale.