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This just seems like a logical reaction to unknown supply chain attacks. The DoD has restrictions on acquisition of Chinese hardware, for example. Some HN post
by manuelabeledo 3y ago
This just seems like a logical reaction to unknown supply chain attacks. The DoD has restrictions on acquisition of Chinese hardware, for example.
Some HN posters believe that this is a tit-for-tat move regarding the Huawei sales ban, which is hardly comparable, as Huawei hardware cannot be legally distributed or sold by US companies.
- emodendroket 3y agoEven if it were the latter thing promoting domestic industry is a pretty logical thing to do in their shoes. Restricting supply of tech to China may make perfect sense from a US perspective but we can hardly expect them to play along.
- fouc 3y ago> unknown supply chain attacks. Is that the case given that iPhones are manufactured in China? My tinfoil hat theory is that they find it harder to hack iPhones to monitor their government officials.
- SkyMarshal 3y agoThe hardware is made in China but not the software. So it probably depends on how much oversight of the software the CCP has, and this decision implies not enough for their comfort.
- bityard 3y agoIs it impossible for an adversary in China to modify an iPhone during manufacture in a way that Apple can't detect?
- emodendroket 3y agoMaybe they do but one could just as well apply this logic to bans on Huawei telecom equipment.
- Terretta 3y ago> My tinfoil hat theory is that they find it harder to hack iPhones to monitor their government officials. It is a fact that certain US agencies required Blackberry or Android, rather than iOS on iPhone, for this reason.
- manuelabeledo 3y agoI believe this is no longer true. iOS devices are allowed in the DoD, for example.
- bragr 3y agoI think it depends on whether the use is classified or not. I'm not aware of iPhone supporting red/black separation, not to mention a model without cameras for use in secure environments.
- manuelabeledo 3y agoI'm not aware of any consumer phone that would follow a pure red/black architecture. There are a bunch that are CNSSP-11 compliant, though: https://www.nsa.gov/Resources/Commercial-Solutions-for-Classified-Program/Components-List/ https://www.nsa.gov/Resources/Commercial-Solutions-for-Class...
- Obscurity4340 3y agoiPhones can be supervised and/or enrolled in MDM that allows for very high-granularity control of settings and logging etc
- Terretta 3y agoI was careful to use past tense, as it was a fact, but I don't know now.
- tylerthetiger 3y agoSource?
- mushbino 3y ago
- mushbino 3y agoOpinions like this are largely from new cold war propaganda, but also projection. The US spys on everyone everywhere. PRISM for example. Pegasus being another.
- FormerBandmate 3y agoPegasus isn’t American. Also, China has the capability to spy on everyone and their government is morally worse so of course they are. Social credit, concentration camps, etc
- mushbino 3y agoStrongly disagree. It's Israeli, but minor difference. The US has PRISM and newer operations that are just as if not more advanced. Can you show anything China has done. That's remotely close to what the US has done in Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Somalia, Indonesia, Panama, Grenada, Philippines, Japan, Yugoslavia, Laos, Cambodia, Guatemala, Chile, Argentina, Brazil, and the thousands of regime change operations the US has conducted? The US also incarcerates more people than any other country in the history of the world. We also have more murders by police than nearly any other country and far more than China. I can go on.
- halJordan 3y agoThat makes no sense. The Chinese don't need to hack their people, let alone their own government workers, to find out what they are saying. It what world does govt compliance worker A need to literally hack govt busybee 1 to figure out if busybee 1 is work on their govt machine?!
- WillPostForFood 3y agoHuawei hardware cannot be legally distributed or sold by US companies. There are bans on Huawei telecom equipment, but their phones, tablets, smartwatches, etc are not banned and are readily available: https://www.newegg.com/Huawei/BrandStore/ID-15388 https://www.newegg.com/Huawei/BrandStore/ID-15388 https://www.amazon.com/stores/Huawei/page/34F6034C-1D34-4913-9648-3DBD220C1648 https://www.amazon.com/stores/Huawei/page/34F6034C-1D34-4913...
- manuelabeledo 3y agoThese are older devices, and most of them are sold out already. That T3 10 is now over 6 years old, for example.
- thowfaraway 3y agoThe p60 pro is released this year and available: https://www.newegg.com/p/23B-001M-007X6 https://www.newegg.com/p/23B-001M-007X6
- manuelabeledo 3y agoGlobal version and carries no warranty, meaning imported. You can find all sorts of weird imported stuff in Amazon and NewEgg from third party sellers. Still not legal for US companies to distribute Huawei phones, though.
- WillPostForFood 3y agoGlobal version and carries no warranty, meaning imported. Obviously they are imported, that's the point. They are imported Chinese phones. Amazon and Newegg are US companies distributing imported Chinese Huawei phones. There is a ban on Huawei telecom equipment, and a ban on selling tech to Huawei, but show me where phones are banned.
- manuelabeledo 3y ago
- em3rgent0rdr 3y agoGovernment phones seems like a good niche for fully-open RISC-V-based phone with all open hardware.
- halJordan 3y agoThis restriction also comes on top (like July) of the recent kaspersky/Russian govt hack (called operation triangulation by kasp) where it is alleged that kaspersky's enterprise network was hacked after someone hacked their workers' iPhones and they puvoted to the enterprise network after the workers connected their iPhones to the work wifi. It's not a hard breadcrumb trail to follow and i am also aghast at so many HN posters pontificating so strongly about nonsense
- manuelabeledo 3y ago> This restriction also comes on top (like July) of the recent kaspersky/Russian govt hack (called operation triangulation by kasp) Banning iPhones because of Kaspersky incompetence protecting their corporate network? That is nonsense.
- kornhole 3y agoIt was much more than that. Russian government banned Iphones for government use as well. https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-says-us-hacked-thousands-iphones-espionage-operation https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-says-us-hacked...
- hulitu 3y ago> This just seems like a logical reaction to unknown supply chain attacks or to Pegasus ? When the OS runs everything it gets as a stream of bytes...