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The inaccurate part of the movie is that all that stuff worked. In real life, what "ended" the pandemic was a combination of mother nature and the human willing

The inaccurate part of the movie is that all that stuff worked. In real life, what "ended" the pandemic was a combination of mother nature and the human willingness to accept a lost cause and move on.

ceejayoz 3y ago
And an effective vaccine, as far as death and severe illness is concerned. https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/new-study-shows-fewer-people-die-from-covid-19-in-better-vaccinated-communities/ https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/new-study-shows-fewer-p... > The findings, based on data across 2,558 counties in 48 US states, show that counties with high vaccine coverage had a more than 80% reduction in death rates compared with largely unvaccinated counties.
- nsxwolf 3y ago
  Definitely a big win, but 80% reduction means it prevented fewer than half of the vulnerable from death, when the hope had been much closer to preventing virtually all deaths. Those are not pandemic ending numbers, certainly not to those who espouse a zero COVID strategy.
  - ajross 3y ago
    > 80% reduction means it prevented fewer than half of the vulnerable from death What are you trying to say here? That math doesn't make sense to me at all. Pretty clearly the reduction in deaths comes primarily from... those who would have been vulnerable to dying.
- claytongulick 3y ago
  We're going to need to determine the cause of the unexplained spike in recent all-cause mortality before we can have any sort of meaningful conversation about the risk/benefit analysis of the covid vaccination program.
  - barbacoa 3y ago
    What's even more alarming is that this increases in all-cause deaths were present in the vaccine clinical study data. The vaccine group had fewer covid deaths but had significantly more overall deaths that the non vaccine control group.
    - appplication 3y ago
      Citations needed, this is sounding like some 5g microchip conspiracy nonsense.
      - barbacoa 3y ago
        https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/pfizers-clinical-trial-had-more-deaths https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/pfizers-clinical-trial-had-... One would expect more deaths in the placebo group from all the people who died of covid. Which makes the data even more striking.
        appplication 3y ago
        Well I poked around, I’m not sure exactly what you’re seeing. One would expect more covid deaths in the placebo, and that is the case. Most of the deaths in both groups are indeed unrelated to Covid at all. You can see exact cause of death for all participants here: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/medrxiv/early/2021/07/28/2021.07.28.21261159/DC1/embed/media-1.pdf?download=true#page12 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/medrxiv/early/2021/07/28/202... I suspect the number your focusing on is the 4 cardiac arrest deaths. At a glance it seems 4x higher than the one reported placebo death. But the number is 4 vs 1 for over 20k people. Why not instead focus on placebo group having 2 vs 0 myocardial infarction? The reason why not is that dying is noisy business, and things like cardiac arrest have a pretty high baseline, and this is such a small sample the variance is likely noise. Perhaps you could present a proper statistical analysis to convince otherwise? Something similar to the methodology for determining Covid vaccine’s effectiveness in preventing Covid deaths. After all, the data is all there. I didn’t see anything resembling such an analysis in your linked source. Just the confused ramblings of someone nontechnical, clearly out of their depth in reading a fairly basic research paper.
- wkat4242 3y ago
  It was at first but we're at the point now where that's been dropped too. Here in Spain I haven't even been able to get it anymore in the last year and a half. I've had COVID twice, one time recently, and it was mild. Same with everyone else. Last week in the Netherlands there was nobody even in the ICU anymore in the whole country with it. Even without the vaccine we would have got here but it would have taken longer and cost more lives.
ajross 3y ago
Are you deliberately ignoring vaccination? I genuinely can't tell if I'm being trolled into a conspiracy argument or not. But just in case: The vaccines turned an extremely dangerous pandemic into a tolerable-if-still-worrisome endemic disease. This lancet paper represents a pretty good consensus belief that vaccines saved 14M lives. Our "willingness to accept a lost cause" was informed heavily by the justfied belief that it wouldn't kill us. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(22)00320-6/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3... Basically, yeah. "All that stuff worked".
- lr1970 3y ago
  > The vaccines turned an extremely dangerous pandemic into a tolerable-if-still-worrisome endemic disease. Effective vaccinations were pretty much limited to the first world countries. Third world countries either did not have access to vaccines or used subpar ones like russia's sputnik. I would like to see a scientific study comparing the duration of pandemic in vaccinated vs non-vaccinated countries. It would be apples to oranges comparison but there are be some interesting insights to learn.
  - quacked 3y ago
    https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/05/04/992544022/one-of-the-worlds-poorest-countries-has-one-of-the-worlds-lowest-covid-death-rat https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/05/04/9925440...
    - genman 3y ago
      It says that most Haitians are young (see the population pyramid for example to get an idea how young) and were not affected much by the virus and they don't care (about their old) that much because they have their own difficulty to stay alive and not starving. But it for sure affected them https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.CDRT.IN?locations=HT https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.CDRT.IN?location...
- free_glamorgan 3y ago
Beta-7 3y ago
And the most important thing: the Ukraine - Russia war that took over the media's short attention span.
Melting_Harps 3y ago
> The inaccurate part of the movie is that all that stuff worked. In real life, what "ended" the pandemic was a combination of mother nature and the human willingness to accept a lost cause and move on. The war in Ukraine and the market correction in Nov '21 helped to divert attention from the immense amount of coverage that COVID otherwise got. In fact, Ukraine was doing tracing and the QR code vaccination passports (per EU standards) in the Fall of '21 and it's infection rates and deaths only increased in the Winter due to low vaccination rates [0]. Then the invasion happened and no one cared and all the grifting from things like VC juicing of stocks like Zoom, Peleton, retail getting locked out and losing GME gains etc... also got swept under the rug as intrest rates were on the rise and cost of living rised with it and Putin became the reason for all of it and not the immense amount of fiscal policy repercussions of Quantitative easing, ZIRP and immense spending on all of these fake measures to contain COVID. Putin is a bastard and a despot and deserves all the ire and hopefully a swift death for the inhumane things in this senseless war, but it also gave the West pre-text to divert the ills of society's occurring since at least 2008 an over-simplified narrative to convince the masses with the abomination of the war footage from Western outlets and get it to be the new normal. 0: https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraine-capital-tightens-lockdown-measures-new-covid-19-cases-jump-2021-10-28/ https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraine-capital-tightens-lockd...

ceejayoz 3y ago

And an effective vaccine, as far as death and severe illness is concerned. https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/new-study-shows-fewer-people-die-from-covid-19-in-better-vaccinated-communities/ https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/new-study-shows-fewer-p... > The findings, based on data across 2,558 counties in 48 US states, show that counties with high vaccine coverage had a more than 80% reduction in death rates compared with largely unvaccinated counties.

nsxwolf 3y ago
Definitely a big win, but 80% reduction means it prevented fewer than half of the vulnerable from death, when the hope had been much closer to preventing virtually all deaths. Those are not pandemic ending numbers, certainly not to those who espouse a zero COVID strategy.
- ajross 3y ago
  > 80% reduction means it prevented fewer than half of the vulnerable from death What are you trying to say here? That math doesn't make sense to me at all. Pretty clearly the reduction in deaths comes primarily from... those who would have been vulnerable to dying.
claytongulick 3y ago
We're going to need to determine the cause of the unexplained spike in recent all-cause mortality before we can have any sort of meaningful conversation about the risk/benefit analysis of the covid vaccination program.
- barbacoa 3y ago
  What's even more alarming is that this increases in all-cause deaths were present in the vaccine clinical study data. The vaccine group had fewer covid deaths but had significantly more overall deaths that the non vaccine control group.
  - appplication 3y ago
    Citations needed, this is sounding like some 5g microchip conspiracy nonsense.
    - barbacoa 3y ago
      https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/pfizers-clinical-trial-had-more-deaths https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/pfizers-clinical-trial-had-... One would expect more deaths in the placebo group from all the people who died of covid. Which makes the data even more striking.
      - appplication 3y ago
        Well I poked around, I’m not sure exactly what you’re seeing. One would expect more covid deaths in the placebo, and that is the case. Most of the deaths in both groups are indeed unrelated to Covid at all. You can see exact cause of death for all participants here: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/medrxiv/early/2021/07/28/2021.07.28.21261159/DC1/embed/media-1.pdf?download=true#page12 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/medrxiv/early/2021/07/28/202... I suspect the number your focusing on is the 4 cardiac arrest deaths. At a glance it seems 4x higher than the one reported placebo death. But the number is 4 vs 1 for over 20k people. Why not instead focus on placebo group having 2 vs 0 myocardial infarction? The reason why not is that dying is noisy business, and things like cardiac arrest have a pretty high baseline, and this is such a small sample the variance is likely noise. Perhaps you could present a proper statistical analysis to convince otherwise? Something similar to the methodology for determining Covid vaccine’s effectiveness in preventing Covid deaths. After all, the data is all there. I didn’t see anything resembling such an analysis in your linked source. Just the confused ramblings of someone nontechnical, clearly out of their depth in reading a fairly basic research paper.
wkat4242 3y ago
It was at first but we're at the point now where that's been dropped too. Here in Spain I haven't even been able to get it anymore in the last year and a half. I've had COVID twice, one time recently, and it was mild. Same with everyone else. Last week in the Netherlands there was nobody even in the ICU anymore in the whole country with it. Even without the vaccine we would have got here but it would have taken longer and cost more lives.

ajross 3y ago

Are you deliberately ignoring vaccination? I genuinely can't tell if I'm being trolled into a conspiracy argument or not. But just in case: The vaccines turned an extremely dangerous pandemic into a tolerable-if-still-worrisome endemic disease. This lancet paper represents a pretty good consensus belief that vaccines saved 14M lives. Our "willingness to accept a lost cause" was informed heavily by the justfied belief that it wouldn't kill us. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(22)00320-6/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3... Basically, yeah. "All that stuff worked".

lr1970 3y ago
> The vaccines turned an extremely dangerous pandemic into a tolerable-if-still-worrisome endemic disease. Effective vaccinations were pretty much limited to the first world countries. Third world countries either did not have access to vaccines or used subpar ones like russia's sputnik. I would like to see a scientific study comparing the duration of pandemic in vaccinated vs non-vaccinated countries. It would be apples to oranges comparison but there are be some interesting insights to learn.
- quacked 3y ago
  https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/05/04/992544022/one-of-the-worlds-poorest-countries-has-one-of-the-worlds-lowest-covid-death-rat https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/05/04/9925440...
  - genman 3y ago
    It says that most Haitians are young (see the population pyramid for example to get an idea how young) and were not affected much by the virus and they don't care (about their old) that much because they have their own difficulty to stay alive and not starving. But it for sure affected them https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.CDRT.IN?locations=HT https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.CDRT.IN?location...
free_glamorgan 3y ago

Beta-7 3y ago

And the most important thing: the Ukraine - Russia war that took over the media's short attention span.

Melting_Harps 3y ago

> The inaccurate part of the movie is that all that stuff worked. In real life, what "ended" the pandemic was a combination of mother nature and the human willingness to accept a lost cause and move on. The war in Ukraine and the market correction in Nov '21 helped to divert attention from the immense amount of coverage that COVID otherwise got. In fact, Ukraine was doing tracing and the QR code vaccination passports (per EU standards) in the Fall of '21 and it's infection rates and deaths only increased in the Winter due to low vaccination rates [0]. Then the invasion happened and no one cared and all the grifting from things like VC juicing of stocks like Zoom, Peleton, retail getting locked out and losing GME gains etc... also got swept under the rug as intrest rates were on the rise and cost of living rised with it and Putin became the reason for all of it and not the immense amount of fiscal policy repercussions of Quantitative easing, ZIRP and immense spending on all of these fake measures to contain COVID. Putin is a bastard and a despot and deserves all the ire and hopefully a swift death for the inhumane things in this senseless war, but it also gave the West pre-text to divert the ills of society's occurring since at least 2008 an over-simplified narrative to convince the masses with the abomination of the war footage from Western outlets and get it to be the new normal. 0: https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraine-capital-tightens-lockdown-measures-new-covid-19-cases-jump-2021-10-28/ https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraine-capital-tightens-lockd...