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>> unintended consequences that make services worse for the majority of us who do not live in the EU, like GDPR did. Can you give an example? Things like Googl

>> unintended consequences that make services worse for the majority of us who do not live in the EU, like GDPR did. Can you give an example? Things like Google Takeout and other services allow you to download all your data are a direct consequence of GDPR. Seems like a huge win to me. If your complaint is “cookie banners” your complaint if with website owners rather than any legislation.

runako 3y ago
The complaint is cookie banners. They litter the Web now as a direct result of GDPR. Website owners didn't just start obscuring their sites because it's fun. They make the Web worse for everyone in the world. Yes, I know that technically such banners are not required under GDPR. I also know that even the webmasters at The European Commission (see the linked ec.europa.eu site) add cookie banners 7 years after the law was passed. It is not reasonable to expect other organizations to interpret the law more effectively than the EU itself.
- layer8 3y ago
  Cookie banners existed long before the GDPR, due to the ePrivacy Directive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPrivacy_Directive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPrivacy_Directive
  - Signez 3y ago
    And the EU is actively working on creating a new ePrivacy Regulation [0] that would explicitly tackle the explosion of cookie banners. > Simpler rules on cookies: the cookie provision, which has resulted in an overload of consent requests for internet users, will be streamlined. The new rule will be more user-friendly as browser settings will provide an easy way to accept or refuse tracking cookies and other identifiers. The proposal also clarifies that no consent is needed for non-privacy intrusive cookies that improve internet experience, such as cookies to remember shopping-cart history or to count the number of website visitors. [0]: https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eprivacy-regulation https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eprivacy-r...
  - runako 3y ago
    The assertion that the proliferation of cookie banners dates to 2002 does not pass the smell test. It was GDPR.
    - Hamcha 3y ago
      What smell test? I very much remember cookie banners being a problem way before the GDPR and so does the rest of the web: (2012) https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19505835 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19505835 (2013) https://econsultancy.com/17-useful-examples-of-eu-cookie-law-compliance/ https://econsultancy.com/17-useful-examples-of-eu-cookie-law... (2015) https://superuser.com/questions/725312/disable-all-cookie-warnings-and-hints https://superuser.com/questions/725312/disable-all-cookie-wa... (2013) https://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/40687/we-use-cookies-notice-on-websites https://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/40687/we-use-cookies-...
      - runako 3y ago
        I must have been blind to the banners for a number of years :-). In any case, the larger point stands: the EU created the cookie banner mess that makes the Web worse for everybody, whether or not we are EU citizens. It seems the only debate is whether they have dawdled 14 years before attempting to address the issue or "only" 5 years.
    - layer8 3y ago
      It was the 2009 amendment of the ePrivacy Directive which introduced cookie consent, as noted in the Wikipedia article.
jsnell 3y ago
Takeout predates the GDPR by years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Takeout https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Takeout

runako 3y ago

The complaint is cookie banners. They litter the Web now as a direct result of GDPR. Website owners didn't just start obscuring their sites because it's fun. They make the Web worse for everyone in the world. Yes, I know that technically such banners are not required under GDPR. I also know that even the webmasters at The European Commission (see the linked ec.europa.eu site) add cookie banners 7 years after the law was passed. It is not reasonable to expect other organizations to interpret the law more effectively than the EU itself.

layer8 3y ago
Cookie banners existed long before the GDPR, due to the ePrivacy Directive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPrivacy_Directive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPrivacy_Directive
- Signez 3y ago
  And the EU is actively working on creating a new ePrivacy Regulation [0] that would explicitly tackle the explosion of cookie banners. > Simpler rules on cookies: the cookie provision, which has resulted in an overload of consent requests for internet users, will be streamlined. The new rule will be more user-friendly as browser settings will provide an easy way to accept or refuse tracking cookies and other identifiers. The proposal also clarifies that no consent is needed for non-privacy intrusive cookies that improve internet experience, such as cookies to remember shopping-cart history or to count the number of website visitors. [0]: https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eprivacy-regulation https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eprivacy-r...
- runako 3y ago
  The assertion that the proliferation of cookie banners dates to 2002 does not pass the smell test. It was GDPR.
  - Hamcha 3y ago
    What smell test? I very much remember cookie banners being a problem way before the GDPR and so does the rest of the web: (2012) https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19505835 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19505835 (2013) https://econsultancy.com/17-useful-examples-of-eu-cookie-law-compliance/ https://econsultancy.com/17-useful-examples-of-eu-cookie-law... (2015) https://superuser.com/questions/725312/disable-all-cookie-warnings-and-hints https://superuser.com/questions/725312/disable-all-cookie-wa... (2013) https://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/40687/we-use-cookies-notice-on-websites https://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/40687/we-use-cookies-...
    - runako 3y ago
      I must have been blind to the banners for a number of years :-). In any case, the larger point stands: the EU created the cookie banner mess that makes the Web worse for everybody, whether or not we are EU citizens. It seems the only debate is whether they have dawdled 14 years before attempting to address the issue or "only" 5 years.
  - layer8 3y ago
    It was the 2009 amendment of the ePrivacy Directive which introduced cookie consent, as noted in the Wikipedia article.

jsnell 3y ago

Takeout predates the GDPR by years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Takeout https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Takeout