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Apple, Meta, Google, Bytedance are not offering anything outstanding to the general public? Ok buddy. I’m sure those European tech competitors are right around

Apple, Meta, Google, Bytedance are not offering anything outstanding to the general public? Ok buddy. I’m sure those European tech competitors are right around the corner. Maybe SAP could partner with Nokia and Wirecard to cobble something together.

ivy137 3y ago
They are not around the corner, but acting like Apple, Meta, Google, and Bytedance can't risk their position it's weird add to that, us tech giant were made in a time where opensource & privacy concerns weren't knew as much as now
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lnxg33k1 3y ago
Words say one thing, facts say that they keep paying fines, keep adapting to regulations, and just shut up, what would happen if they went away? We can only speculate, but the fact are facts they're not leaving their spots, kids can only dream
eurier_br 3y ago
From your list, European people would miss only Apple and Google. Considering EU is the second largest market for both I highly doubt they would willingly leave the region. Even if this was the case EU would throw all it could to create heir own silicon valley. As a brazilian living in Paris, I have a feeling people here would see the exit of some this companies wih almost pride.
- xadhominemx 3y ago
  European people would not miss WhatsApp, Instagram, or TikTok?
  - kyriakos 3y ago
    WhatsApp is useful but has multiple competitors which offer similar or even better functionality - it will be replaced overnight by Telegram, Signal, Viber etc. On the other hand neither TikTok or Instagram are actually a product which a society will miss its functionality, a lot would argue that we would actually be better off if they didn't exist at all.
atomicnumber3 3y ago
I mean I think of those four, Apple is the only one currently even close to the top of their game and it's likely because they're the one company on God's green earth that actually makes good margins on mass consumer hardware due to their brand. Google and Meta were at their product peaks somewhere much closer to their "2 guys in a garage with 128MB of ram" stage than their current "enormous adtech behemoth" stage. And it's my impression that much of what happens in innovation at both companies is primarily just fiddling with knobs on the adtech products to see if you can get 0.001% more money out of it, with some predatory copying of up-and-coming potential competitors apps to try to kill them and then a tiny bit of halfhearted actual innovation (quickly abandoned when it doesn't become the next ads in terms of revenue). Look at all the products Google has launched, and then killed because it didn't compete with ads so they didn't care? Literally dozens of medium-sized businesses worth, and they leave behind a scarred market because incumbents likely got smashed when Google released their product. I'm just saying - I think you would be surprised at how fast a google-shaped or meta-shaped hole would be filled. Especially since Google search is an entire screenful of ads before actual search results at this point.
- xadhominemx 3y ago
  You are talking about Android, google search, gmail, iOS, instagram, WhatsApp, amazon, windows, and TikTok.
  - atomicnumber3 3y ago
    Android started as an independent company outside of Google and was acquired later because it was succeeding. Gmail competes primarily on having highly deliverable email due to its massive adoption. This is part of the problem of email in general, and not necessarily a good thing about gmail. iOS - see android. Heck even Ubuntu has a phone OS, or did? There would be competitors here. WhatsApp has a million competitors. We're not talking about amazon or windows afaik? But Amazon is mainly competitive because it is a giant logistics network which isn't tech related and afaik not really something the EU generally takes issue with. Windows is already dying (it has ads in its start menu!!) and has had competitors for ages, both Linux and Mac. TikTok is notable primarily because it's good at addicting users which I think is something the EU would again be fine to lose.

ivy137 3y ago

They are not around the corner, but acting like Apple, Meta, Google, and Bytedance can't risk their position it's weird add to that, us tech giant were made in a time where opensource & privacy concerns weren't knew as much as now

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lnxg33k1 3y ago

Words say one thing, facts say that they keep paying fines, keep adapting to regulations, and just shut up, what would happen if they went away? We can only speculate, but the fact are facts they're not leaving their spots, kids can only dream

eurier_br 3y ago

From your list, European people would miss only Apple and Google. Considering EU is the second largest market for both I highly doubt they would willingly leave the region. Even if this was the case EU would throw all it could to create heir own silicon valley. As a brazilian living in Paris, I have a feeling people here would see the exit of some this companies wih almost pride.

xadhominemx 3y ago
European people would not miss WhatsApp, Instagram, or TikTok?
- kyriakos 3y ago
  WhatsApp is useful but has multiple competitors which offer similar or even better functionality - it will be replaced overnight by Telegram, Signal, Viber etc. On the other hand neither TikTok or Instagram are actually a product which a society will miss its functionality, a lot would argue that we would actually be better off if they didn't exist at all.

atomicnumber3 3y ago

I mean I think of those four, Apple is the only one currently even close to the top of their game and it's likely because they're the one company on God's green earth that actually makes good margins on mass consumer hardware due to their brand. Google and Meta were at their product peaks somewhere much closer to their "2 guys in a garage with 128MB of ram" stage than their current "enormous adtech behemoth" stage. And it's my impression that much of what happens in innovation at both companies is primarily just fiddling with knobs on the adtech products to see if you can get 0.001% more money out of it, with some predatory copying of up-and-coming potential competitors apps to try to kill them and then a tiny bit of halfhearted actual innovation (quickly abandoned when it doesn't become the next ads in terms of revenue). Look at all the products Google has launched, and then killed because it didn't compete with ads so they didn't care? Literally dozens of medium-sized businesses worth, and they leave behind a scarred market because incumbents likely got smashed when Google released their product. I'm just saying - I think you would be surprised at how fast a google-shaped or meta-shaped hole would be filled. Especially since Google search is an entire screenful of ads before actual search results at this point.

xadhominemx 3y ago
You are talking about Android, google search, gmail, iOS, instagram, WhatsApp, amazon, windows, and TikTok.
- atomicnumber3 3y ago
  Android started as an independent company outside of Google and was acquired later because it was succeeding. Gmail competes primarily on having highly deliverable email due to its massive adoption. This is part of the problem of email in general, and not necessarily a good thing about gmail. iOS - see android. Heck even Ubuntu has a phone OS, or did? There would be competitors here. WhatsApp has a million competitors. We're not talking about amazon or windows afaik? But Amazon is mainly competitive because it is a giant logistics network which isn't tech related and afaik not really something the EU generally takes issue with. Windows is already dying (it has ads in its start menu!!) and has had competitors for ages, both Linux and Mac. TikTok is notable primarily because it's good at addicting users which I think is something the EU would again be fine to lose.