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That's your choice. You can buy new, convienent, modern cars that spy on you and will be dead in ten years. Or you can buy old, reliable cars that lack most mod

by pard68 3y ago

That's your choice. You can buy new, convienent, modern cars that spy on you and will be dead in ten years. Or you can buy old, reliable cars that lack most modern amenities but can be repaired forever with a metal lathe and a welder.

TedDoesntTalk 3y ago
It's my choice not to learn how to use a metal lathe and a welder, or find someone with those skills to do it for me? How is that supposed to scale to millions of people who want the same privacy?
- jen20 3y ago
  Not to mention the fact that most such cars are already gone - so if more people adopt the GPs position, the prices will go through the roof for him too.
  - pard68 3y ago
    That's true, but this isn't a solution, it's my hobby. No one has suggested that people should buy only antique vehicles. But to clear up this, it's a relatively inexpensive hobby if you are discerning and can wait. Only my wife's 03 Suburban cost more than $3000. Most of my antiques I have bought for far less. I bought the CJ5 this summer and it cost me $500 plus a new starter ($40). I also bought the '54 Chevy 2-ton this year, that cost $1000 and a new pair of contacts ($7) to get running and passing inspection. My coworkers all play video games. They spend more on computer parts than I spend on most entire vehicles.
    - jen20 3y ago
      To be clear, I agree with you (and drive a car from the 80s when I need to drive) - but am also in favour of legislation absolutely banning this kind of collection for when I ever do need a new vehicle. If you want your hobby to remain affordable it's probably a good idea to push for new cars to be at least as good as old ones!
- pard68 3y ago
  Never once suggested it would. All I said was that this is why I personally avoid new cars. I dislike things I cannot fix and I dislike things that actively harm me. If you or anyone else feels this way, the onus is upon you to solve it. Most people want their data taken, or are ambivalent at best. Most people would hate driving old cars. They take work, most people want less work, not more.

by pard68 3y ago

TedDoesntTalk 3y ago

It's my choice not to learn how to use a metal lathe and a welder, or find someone with those skills to do it for me? How is that supposed to scale to millions of people who want the same privacy?

jen20 3y ago
Not to mention the fact that most such cars are already gone - so if more people adopt the GPs position, the prices will go through the roof for him too.
- pard68 3y ago
  That's true, but this isn't a solution, it's my hobby. No one has suggested that people should buy only antique vehicles. But to clear up this, it's a relatively inexpensive hobby if you are discerning and can wait. Only my wife's 03 Suburban cost more than $3000. Most of my antiques I have bought for far less. I bought the CJ5 this summer and it cost me $500 plus a new starter ($40). I also bought the '54 Chevy 2-ton this year, that cost $1000 and a new pair of contacts ($7) to get running and passing inspection. My coworkers all play video games. They spend more on computer parts than I spend on most entire vehicles.
  - jen20 3y ago
    To be clear, I agree with you (and drive a car from the 80s when I need to drive) - but am also in favour of legislation absolutely banning this kind of collection for when I ever do need a new vehicle. If you want your hobby to remain affordable it's probably a good idea to push for new cars to be at least as good as old ones!
pard68 3y ago
Never once suggested it would. All I said was that this is why I personally avoid new cars. I dislike things I cannot fix and I dislike things that actively harm me. If you or anyone else feels this way, the onus is upon you to solve it. Most people want their data taken, or are ambivalent at best. Most people would hate driving old cars. They take work, most people want less work, not more.