Some traffic lights in Zurich are only green for 5 seconds or so, then you need to wait another minute or two. I’ve never seen honking at 10kph under the limit

Some traffic lights in Zurich are only green for 5 seconds or so, then you need to wait another minute or two. I’ve never seen honking at 10kph under the limit, and I regularly drive longish trips to Germany for shopping on 80kph roads where you can often get stuck behind someone doing an indicated 72 (so about 69). Also Swiss top up foreign fines - they apply the Swiss penalty based on amount by which the limit was exceeded, if there’s a data sharing agreement, as there is with Germany. Any enthusiasm is based on less enforcement rather than lower fines.