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by jiofj 3y ago

Didn't they see the balloon?!? https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Pv29dGQwIMI/UFcMD6hgcyI/AAAAAAAAFHI/g_z4acYUqT8/s1600/ttUntitled-2.jpg https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Pv29dGQwIMI/UFcMD6hgcyI/AAAAAAAAF...

mcny 3y ago
To spell it out, I think the joke here is the assertion that they are probably using old operating system and software. The screenshot is for windows XP.
- picadores 3y ago
  Why is that a joke? Factory equipment is ordered and has a lifetime of 20 years. Of course it has old systems. These are grownup industries. They have no time for development hipster nonsense and extraction games for unwanted features to stave of unemployment in some glass-towers.
  - scandox 3y ago
    You're shooting the translator.
  - BoxFour 3y ago
    > They have no time for development hipster nonsense https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-xp-support-has-ended-47b944b8-f4d3-82f2-9acc-21c79ee6ef5e https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-xp-suppo... > extraction games for unwanted features https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/12/23204950/bmw-subscriptions-microtransactions-heated-seats-feature https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/12/23204950/bmw-subscription...
    - delecti 3y ago
      > If you continue to use Windows XP now that support has ended, your computer will still work but it might become more vulnerable to security risks and viruses It only matters if the machine is online, and they often aren't.
      - BoxFour 3y ago
        > they often aren't. This was NOT my experience while working in the automotive industry.
        mcny 3y ago
        > This was NOT my experience while working in the automotive industry. Exactly. The only people who can climb the corporate ladder are people who care about business "impact" more than anything else.
      - COM9 3y ago
        > It only matters if the machine is online, and they often aren't. No. Really, you shouldn't think that. It's really bad security practice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet It is typically introduced to the target environment via an infected USB flash drive, thus crossing any air gap.
    - dncornholio 3y ago
      Funny when you never touched a computer in 20 years and as soon as microsoft posts "Support ended" it suddenly is a problem, when in fact, nothing changed. Computer still send signals and recieves signals just fine.
      - BoxFour 3y ago
        > Computer still send signals and recieves signals just fine. Yes, this is in fact the problem which gets exploited and said exploits remain unfixed because it's EOLd.
      - justinclift 3y ago
        Mostly works fine until some internal limit is reached. For example, the Y2K bug at the turn of the century. Good thing that was mostly dealt with ok. :)
  - oneplane 3y ago
    If that is so, factories should maybe not buy software that has a much shorter lifespan than their 20 years. In essence, they are the ones making the mistake, not the OS vendor. Heck, they should probably fork an existing OS and maintain it themselves if this lifetime requirement is such an important thing.
- giancarlostoro 3y ago
  You're likely not wrong, but also the fact that Windows tells you you're running out of storage going as far back as XP if not further back. I wont be surprised if Mac and Linux do the same. My guess is, they kept ignoring it until it became impossible to ignore. I wonder if years passed until it was unavoidable.
  - thelastparadise 3y ago
    A lot of server OS's/configurations will just silently fill up and take down any services depending on that volume with it.
    - giancarlostoro 3y ago
      Well yeah, if your swap partitions on the same as the rest of your OS, eventually it will just make itself known as an issue.
Ekaros 3y ago
I just had much more fun experience on Debian. The VM simply froze after startup as disk was absolutely full... And figuring out how to actually extend disk through all of the indirection layers took a bit of time.
- jbverschoor 3y ago
  Never happened to me.. You'll still be able to login, free up some space to get the services up again, and then resize your disk if that's needed.
  - Ekaros 3y ago
    In this case I had to use rescue mode. As even different tty was too slow to respond. Also just removing some stuff up wasn't working.
    - jbverschoor 3y ago
      Sounds like swapping/trashing + an exception loop taking all resources
  - codetrotter 3y ago
    Could it depend on what file system you use, and OS settings you have? For example, Google says that by default ext4 will reserve 5% of disk space. So depending on your system, a “100% full” drive might still have a (sometimes significant) bit of space left.
    - throw0101c 3y ago
      > For example, Google says that by default ext4 will reserve 5% of disk space. Reserved 5% for root, but if the files/logs that are taking up space are written by the root user then it's a moot point: > Specify the percentage of the file system blocks reserved for the super-user. This avoids fragmentation, and allows root-owned daemons, such as syslogd(8), to continue to function correctly after non-privileged processes are prevented from writing to the file system. The default percentage is 5%. * https://man.archlinux.org/man/mke2fs.8 https://man.archlinux.org/man/mke2fs.8 One trick possible with ZFS is to take a pool (e.g., rpool) and create an 'extra' data set in it (rpool/reservation) and set a reservation for it, so that even if all the other areas are filled (rpool/root, rpool/var, rpool/home) you can simply lower the reservation to get some space back quickly.

by jiofj 3y ago

Didn't they see the balloon?!? https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Pv29dGQwIMI/UFcMD6hgcyI/AAAAAAAAFHI/g_z4acYUqT8/s1600/ttUntitled-2.jpg https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Pv29dGQwIMI/UFcMD6hgcyI/AAAAAAAAF...

mcny 3y ago

To spell it out, I think the joke here is the assertion that they are probably using old operating system and software. The screenshot is for windows XP.

picadores 3y ago
Why is that a joke? Factory equipment is ordered and has a lifetime of 20 years. Of course it has old systems. These are grownup industries. They have no time for development hipster nonsense and extraction games for unwanted features to stave of unemployment in some glass-towers.
- scandox 3y ago
  You're shooting the translator.
- BoxFour 3y ago
  > They have no time for development hipster nonsense https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-xp-support-has-ended-47b944b8-f4d3-82f2-9acc-21c79ee6ef5e https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-xp-suppo... > extraction games for unwanted features https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/12/23204950/bmw-subscriptions-microtransactions-heated-seats-feature https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/12/23204950/bmw-subscription...
  - delecti 3y ago
    > If you continue to use Windows XP now that support has ended, your computer will still work but it might become more vulnerable to security risks and viruses It only matters if the machine is online, and they often aren't.
    - BoxFour 3y ago
      > they often aren't. This was NOT my experience while working in the automotive industry.
      - mcny 3y ago
        > This was NOT my experience while working in the automotive industry. Exactly. The only people who can climb the corporate ladder are people who care about business "impact" more than anything else.
    - COM9 3y ago
      > It only matters if the machine is online, and they often aren't. No. Really, you shouldn't think that. It's really bad security practice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet It is typically introduced to the target environment via an infected USB flash drive, thus crossing any air gap.
  - dncornholio 3y ago
    Funny when you never touched a computer in 20 years and as soon as microsoft posts "Support ended" it suddenly is a problem, when in fact, nothing changed. Computer still send signals and recieves signals just fine.
    - BoxFour 3y ago
      > Computer still send signals and recieves signals just fine. Yes, this is in fact the problem which gets exploited and said exploits remain unfixed because it's EOLd.
    - justinclift 3y ago
      Mostly works fine until some internal limit is reached. For example, the Y2K bug at the turn of the century. Good thing that was mostly dealt with ok. :)
- oneplane 3y ago
  If that is so, factories should maybe not buy software that has a much shorter lifespan than their 20 years. In essence, they are the ones making the mistake, not the OS vendor. Heck, they should probably fork an existing OS and maintain it themselves if this lifetime requirement is such an important thing.
giancarlostoro 3y ago
You're likely not wrong, but also the fact that Windows tells you you're running out of storage going as far back as XP if not further back. I wont be surprised if Mac and Linux do the same. My guess is, they kept ignoring it until it became impossible to ignore. I wonder if years passed until it was unavoidable.
- thelastparadise 3y ago
  A lot of server OS's/configurations will just silently fill up and take down any services depending on that volume with it.
  - giancarlostoro 3y ago
    Well yeah, if your swap partitions on the same as the rest of your OS, eventually it will just make itself known as an issue.

Ekaros 3y ago

I just had much more fun experience on Debian. The VM simply froze after startup as disk was absolutely full... And figuring out how to actually extend disk through all of the indirection layers took a bit of time.

jbverschoor 3y ago
Never happened to me.. You'll still be able to login, free up some space to get the services up again, and then resize your disk if that's needed.
- Ekaros 3y ago
  In this case I had to use rescue mode. As even different tty was too slow to respond. Also just removing some stuff up wasn't working.
  - jbverschoor 3y ago
    Sounds like swapping/trashing + an exception loop taking all resources
- codetrotter 3y ago
  Could it depend on what file system you use, and OS settings you have? For example, Google says that by default ext4 will reserve 5% of disk space. So depending on your system, a “100% full” drive might still have a (sometimes significant) bit of space left.
  - throw0101c 3y ago
    > For example, Google says that by default ext4 will reserve 5% of disk space. Reserved 5% for root, but if the files/logs that are taking up space are written by the root user then it's a moot point: > Specify the percentage of the file system blocks reserved for the super-user. This avoids fragmentation, and allows root-owned daemons, such as syslogd(8), to continue to function correctly after non-privileged processes are prevented from writing to the file system. The default percentage is 5%. * https://man.archlinux.org/man/mke2fs.8 https://man.archlinux.org/man/mke2fs.8 One trick possible with ZFS is to take a pool (e.g., rpool) and create an 'extra' data set in it (rpool/reservation) and set a reservation for it, so that even if all the other areas are filled (rpool/root, rpool/var, rpool/home) you can simply lower the reservation to get some space back quickly.