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"Everything", of course, does not have to be re-framed to everyone reacting to Apple. And nobody suggested that things have to be framed this way. However, whe

by Bud 15y ago

"Everything", of course, does not have to be re-framed to everyone reacting to Apple. And nobody suggested that things have to be framed this way. However, when Apple is the one pushing the particular technological advance in question (which it very often is lately), then it certainly is appropriate to acknowledge fact and reality. And in this case, it's Apple pushing out the tablet screen with over 3 million pixels. Not anyone else. You're right; Microsoft has been "talking about" higher-res screens for a while. Talking. While Apple has been getting a product out the door. Sounds to me like you have some animus against Apple.

tjoff 15y ago
I'd say that it is the display manufacturers that are the ones pushing the particular technological advance in question.
- pohl 15y ago
  Would they still have without a customer paying for guaranteed quantities?
  - tjoff 15y ago
    Putting it that way, would a customer guarantee quantities of something that they didn't know was possible or before knowing what trade offs had to be made? (cost, power consumption, pixel-defects, size etc. etc.)
ZeroGravitas 15y ago
Well Apple might be "pushing it out" but it's Samsung who's building it. Most of Samsung's own tablets and phones (and basically everyone elses) aren't fixed to set resolutions like iOS products so there's no real need for their products to jump by powers of two.
huggyface 15y ago
However, when Apple is the one pushing the particular technological advance in question (which it very often is lately), then it certainly is appropriate to acknowledge fact and reality. Which technology advances has Apple pushed forward? Sounds to me like you have some animus against Apple. I have an issue with people who have technological blinders on -- completely unaware of what has been happening in the industry -- who confuse Apple success with Apple innovation. Apple may have made big media waves with the "Retina" display, but they didn't invent high density displays (and they certainly didn't invent the programming model behind it. If anything they regressed 15 years into the past). They didn't invent tablets. They didn't invent the A5 beyond putting together two A9s and a PowerVR GPU. I could go on and on. What Apple is credited with seldom correlates with the reality.
- wtallis 15y ago
  Apple may not have invented high-DPI IPS panels, but those panels wouldn't exist outside of the lab today without Apple. Nobody else was willing and able to put up the capital necessary to put that technology into mass production. Certainly, laptop makers haven't been pushing very hard to advance the quality of their displays in recent years, and even desktop displays have been regressing or stagnant at best for the past 5 years. And without Apple, there wouldn't now be a tablet market big enough to matter. Apple decided that high-DPI displays were a priority, and decided that it was worth it to bear the expense of fully doubling resolution just to make the software scaling issue easier. That doesn't qualify as invention, but it certainly qualifies as pushing forward a technological advance.
  - huggyface 15y ago
    Apple may not have invented high-DPI IPS panels, but those panels wouldn't exist outside of the lab today without Apple. Smartphones were pushing 300 PPI+ before Apple decided to try to brand it. http://www.tgdaily.com/hardware-features/52181-worlds-smallest-hd-display-hits-1920-%C3%97-1080 http://www.tgdaily.com/hardware-features/52181-worlds-smalle... That display packed 1920x1080 on a miniscule 4.8" display. Further, the iPad was a serious laggard behind much of its tablet competition -- whose greater PPI was never heralded as any great innovation -- but suddenly they play leapfrog and invent a whole new industry? Give me a break.

by Bud 15y ago

tjoff 15y ago

I'd say that it is the display manufacturers that are the ones pushing the particular technological advance in question.

pohl 15y ago
Would they still have without a customer paying for guaranteed quantities?
- tjoff 15y ago
  Putting it that way, would a customer guarantee quantities of something that they didn't know was possible or before knowing what trade offs had to be made? (cost, power consumption, pixel-defects, size etc. etc.)

ZeroGravitas 15y ago

Well Apple might be "pushing it out" but it's Samsung who's building it. Most of Samsung's own tablets and phones (and basically everyone elses) aren't fixed to set resolutions like iOS products so there's no real need for their products to jump by powers of two.

huggyface 15y ago

However, when Apple is the one pushing the particular technological advance in question (which it very often is lately), then it certainly is appropriate to acknowledge fact and reality. Which technology advances has Apple pushed forward? Sounds to me like you have some animus against Apple. I have an issue with people who have technological blinders on -- completely unaware of what has been happening in the industry -- who confuse Apple success with Apple innovation. Apple may have made big media waves with the "Retina" display, but they didn't invent high density displays (and they certainly didn't invent the programming model behind it. If anything they regressed 15 years into the past). They didn't invent tablets. They didn't invent the A5 beyond putting together two A9s and a PowerVR GPU. I could go on and on. What Apple is credited with seldom correlates with the reality.

wtallis 15y ago
Apple may not have invented high-DPI IPS panels, but those panels wouldn't exist outside of the lab today without Apple. Nobody else was willing and able to put up the capital necessary to put that technology into mass production. Certainly, laptop makers haven't been pushing very hard to advance the quality of their displays in recent years, and even desktop displays have been regressing or stagnant at best for the past 5 years. And without Apple, there wouldn't now be a tablet market big enough to matter. Apple decided that high-DPI displays were a priority, and decided that it was worth it to bear the expense of fully doubling resolution just to make the software scaling issue easier. That doesn't qualify as invention, but it certainly qualifies as pushing forward a technological advance.
- huggyface 15y ago
  Apple may not have invented high-DPI IPS panels, but those panels wouldn't exist outside of the lab today without Apple. Smartphones were pushing 300 PPI+ before Apple decided to try to brand it. http://www.tgdaily.com/hardware-features/52181-worlds-smallest-hd-display-hits-1920-%C3%97-1080 http://www.tgdaily.com/hardware-features/52181-worlds-smalle... That display packed 1920x1080 on a miniscule 4.8" display. Further, the iPad was a serious laggard behind much of its tablet competition -- whose greater PPI was never heralded as any great innovation -- but suddenly they play leapfrog and invent a whole new industry? Give me a break.