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You're ok with them being factory farms then?

catlover76 3y ago
They aren't "factory farms", is my point. What I am saying is: a) It seems odd and misjudged to me to hold a community college to the standard of being "a bastion of higher learning" or whatever. b) Regardless, your experience isn't indicative of the character of all community colleges. c) It is also separately and additionally incorrect to lump all "full" universities in with community colleges in this respect.
- NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
  No, I think I have a fairly unique perspective, in that I've experienced both community college and four-year universities (perhaps in reverse order from the typical experience) and I've found them all to be more like factory farms than places of higher learning (by the way, "higher learning" is an epithet commonly applied to post-secondary education such as is found in community colleges, so you're arguing rather vigorously against community colleges acting as community colleges should act.) My father was employed at a four-year university until his retirement, and my decision to apply to that place was greatly influenced by that fact. One of the things that happened just before my matriculation was the construction of a new and very expensive student center. We mocked it particularly for its exorbitant prices. It had a pizza restaurant and other "food court" type offerings, and it had a very shiny retail bookstore, as student centers typically do. Of course, in building and promoting this new center, the university decisively deprecated the "old" center which had so much character and had been a hub of activity for decades. Yeah I don't believe for a minute that I had a unique or unusual experience feeling like a cow that is being milked for every penny while on campus. This feeling has greatly outweighed any feeling of being an empty vessel into which knowledge is being poured. Ask the commenters on HN, and they will tell you that universities aren't for learning a trade, they're for networking and entrance into a particular social class. The nature of that networking and social class is slightly different for community colleges, but not qualitatively.
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They aren't "factory farms", is my point. What I am saying is: a) It seems odd and misjudged to me to hold a community college to the standard of being "a bastion of higher learning" or whatever. b) Regardless, your experience isn't indicative of the character of all community colleges. c) It is also separately and additionally incorrect to lump all "full" universities in with community colleges in this respect.

NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
No, I think I have a fairly unique perspective, in that I've experienced both community college and four-year universities (perhaps in reverse order from the typical experience) and I've found them all to be more like factory farms than places of higher learning (by the way, "higher learning" is an epithet commonly applied to post-secondary education such as is found in community colleges, so you're arguing rather vigorously against community colleges acting as community colleges should act.) My father was employed at a four-year university until his retirement, and my decision to apply to that place was greatly influenced by that fact. One of the things that happened just before my matriculation was the construction of a new and very expensive student center. We mocked it particularly for its exorbitant prices. It had a pizza restaurant and other "food court" type offerings, and it had a very shiny retail bookstore, as student centers typically do. Of course, in building and promoting this new center, the university decisively deprecated the "old" center which had so much character and had been a hub of activity for decades. Yeah I don't believe for a minute that I had a unique or unusual experience feeling like a cow that is being milked for every penny while on campus. This feeling has greatly outweighed any feeling of being an empty vessel into which knowledge is being poured. Ask the commenters on HN, and they will tell you that universities aren't for learning a trade, they're for networking and entrance into a particular social class. The nature of that networking and social class is slightly different for community colleges, but not qualitatively.
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