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No, I think we are allowed to question the base assumptions here. For example, were laptops completely useless before 2020, when the best you could get out of

No, I think we are allowed to question the base assumptions here. For example, were laptops completely useless before 2020, when the best you could get out of them was 12 hours? How often in your life are you stuck on a 18 hours flight without AC power? OP mentioned light coding on Linux. What battery life would M2 achieve when running Docker in a VM? Does Ashahi Linux reach anywhere near the 16 hrs battery of macs? Apple delibertly limited Windows battery on Intel macs, do you think they would treat Linux differently. And so on...

stephenr 3y ago
> were laptops completely useless before 2020, where the best you could get out of them was 12 hours? I can't believe I'm having to explain this concept to you, but no, they weren't completely useless. They were less convenient. That's what battery life gives you: convenience. I'm still somewhat flabbergasted that this concept needs to be explained. > How often in your life are you stuck on a 18 hours flight without AC power? Why does it have to be a flight? I occasionally spent all day working from a café around 2010 because my apartment had no AC. I was lucky enough to have somewhere close to home that both (a) had AC power outlets near a quiet table and (b) didn't mind me using it. Having such long life at "basic usage" levels means you're more likely to get "all day" life at higher levels of activity. Right now I work from home (using a desktop, which gasp has an Arm CPU in it) almost exclusively, but I have a UPS with 40kg (that's 88lbs) of batteries, because the power here is ridiculously unreliable - it's sometimes out for 5 hours or more. Some people like to use their laptop outside in a park or what have you. I don't know if you've been to a park lately but most of them don't have AC outlets. You seem to have some weird obsession that a long battery runtime is somehow unnecessary, and that OP should just settle for an x86 laptop and the almost-guaranteed significantly shorter runtime that comes with it. > OP mentioned light coding on Linux. What battery life would M2 achieve when running Docker in a VM? Why would OP need a VM or Docker? They want to run Linux natively, they specifically don't want to run MacOS, they just like the performance/battery life of the Mac hardware. > Does Ashahi Linux reach anywhere near the 16 hrs battery of macs? Apple delibertly limited Windows battery on Intel macs, do you think they would treat Linux differently. I have no idea about the former, and I don't even know what you're talking about with the latter - but both points are kind of moot in this discussion, maybe you missed it so far: OP DOES NOT WANT A MAC. Macs are only referenced as a comparison for performance and proof of long battery life afforded by Arm vs Intel, in a commercially available product.

stephenr 3y ago

> were laptops completely useless before 2020, where the best you could get out of them was 12 hours? I can't believe I'm having to explain this concept to you, but no, they weren't completely useless. They were less convenient. That's what battery life gives you: convenience. I'm still somewhat flabbergasted that this concept needs to be explained. > How often in your life are you stuck on a 18 hours flight without AC power? Why does it have to be a flight? I occasionally spent all day working from a café around 2010 because my apartment had no AC. I was lucky enough to have somewhere close to home that both (a) had AC power outlets near a quiet table and (b) didn't mind me using it. Having such long life at "basic usage" levels means you're more likely to get "all day" life at higher levels of activity. Right now I work from home (using a desktop, which gasp has an Arm CPU in it) almost exclusively, but I have a UPS with 40kg (that's 88lbs) of batteries, because the power here is ridiculously unreliable - it's sometimes out for 5 hours or more. Some people like to use their laptop outside in a park or what have you. I don't know if you've been to a park lately but most of them don't have AC outlets. You seem to have some weird obsession that a long battery runtime is somehow unnecessary, and that OP should just settle for an x86 laptop and the almost-guaranteed significantly shorter runtime that comes with it. > OP mentioned light coding on Linux. What battery life would M2 achieve when running Docker in a VM? Why would OP need a VM or Docker? They want to run Linux natively, they specifically don't want to run MacOS, they just like the performance/battery life of the Mac hardware. > Does Ashahi Linux reach anywhere near the 16 hrs battery of macs? Apple delibertly limited Windows battery on Intel macs, do you think they would treat Linux differently. I have no idea about the former, and I don't even know what you're talking about with the latter - but both points are kind of moot in this discussion, maybe you missed it so far: OP DOES NOT WANT A MAC. Macs are only referenced as a comparison for performance and proof of long battery life afforded by Arm vs Intel, in a commercially available product.