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It's getting to the point were I am really questioning the characters of people that still work at Google. I mean some of the people implementing and designing

It's getting to the point were I am really questioning the characters of people that still work at Google. I mean some of the people implementing and designing this shit must be right here. Is it really just the money?

bbor 3y ago
Many of them think they’re supporting the free and open internet. I can promise you that many ad engineers take privacy very seriously, and from their perspective, google is leading the charge on less invasive Display ad tech. I seriously doubt the people in this thread will agree with any of that, but I thought I’d answer the question. Of course, the money helps too - Google just recently laid off thousands of workers in an attempt to scare the rest into compliance
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- Zetobal 3y ago
  So google has their campuses in Bizarro World, got it.
- dgan 3y ago
  On another spectrum, RuZZians invading Ukraine right now are really thinking they are "liberating" it.
  - izacus 3y ago
    Yeah, please don't compare ads with actual murdering, raping and civilan massacres.
    - maleldil 3y ago
      I don't think they're comparing the merits of either, but rather how can humans can convince themselves they're doing the right thing when it's obvious to us that they aren't. "no one thinks himself a villain, and few make decisions they think are wrong".
      - izacus 3y ago
        I'm still convinced they can find a more suitable and less gross comparison. You're seeing an Ad, not having your family shot in the head. Some perspective please.
  - penneallagricia 3y ago
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    - dgan 3y ago
      Aw, poor invaders, such tough times with racism nowadays, can't even invade peacefully
      - penneallagricia 3y ago
        War or not, that doesn't justify you being a racist. Otherwise anyone could say that Ukrainians are all nostalgic of nazism.
  - penneallagricia 3y ago
    Nice display of unwarranted racism on a completely unrelated thread.
- tgv 3y ago
  > from their perspective, google is leading the charge on less invasive Display ad tech That would require levels of cognitive dissonance rarely seen outside fraudulent politicians. But that's phrasing it sarcastically, something best avoided in conversations. Bluntly put: indeed, I don't believe you. You cannot work for Google/Alphabet, where 80% of revenue ($183 billion in 2020!) comes from ads, and believe you're doing privacy a favor.
  - bbor 3y ago
    Google makes money from ads so therefor they can’t be leading the charge on less invasive ad tech…? They want less invasive ad tech, trust me. Regulatory capture only goes so far, and they know that well. Google is doing WAY more for “the next generation of display ads” than any other company. And I promise I’m not lying :) All of this is kinda silly, in the end: display ads are negligible when compared to their INSANE search ads revenue, and something tells me they’re not long for this world
jeroenhd 3y ago
I can see the point here. Ad companies will track your browsing history. Google doesn't want to rely on cookies and fingerprints and probably wants to nuke tracking capabilities as well, but doing so in their browser while they still sell ads would be regulatory suicide. Providing an open API for advertisers that doesn't require endless digital stalking is the only way Google will ever be able to enforce stricter anti tracking features. Their announcement that they were working on ending third party cookie tracking was met with threats of lawsuits and antitrust. A locally classified list of topics that can be spoofed by the user agent is an excellent privacy measure. Nobody wants ads, but I'd rather have Chrome enable site isolation than the current status quo. Honestly, I don't see the problem here. Your browsing history isn't submitted to Google according to the spec. There are aboit 8 bits of entropy for fingerprinting, but who cares when WebGPU and the canvas APIs provide ten times that already. The privacy invasion argument seems to be "but it's based on my browsing history" which is exactly how all major advertisers have been doing it for the last ten years. If this gets cancelled, Google isn't going to implement any anti tracking features in Chrome. They legally can't because of advertisers as scummy as them. They can choose between dropping their main source of income (lol), leaving Microsoft in charge of Chromium and killing Chrome (lol), do nothing against the current atate of the web amd tracking, or work with advertisers in a way that doesn't get them sued to hell over antitrust.
- Zetobal 3y ago
  1. The argument that "it's been happening for the last ten years" is not a valid justification for the continuation of a practice that infringes on user privacy. Progress in digital privacy rights should aim at enhancing user control over their data, not maintaining status quo. 2. The suggestion that Google has only a limited choice between maintaining its main source of income or facing antitrust lawsuits is an oversimplification. Google, as one of the most influential tech companies, has the power and resources to innovate and find alternative models that respect user privacy while also providing value to their advertisers. 3. The idea that an API to track browsing history is a "privacy measure" because it can be "spoofed" by the user is flawed because it assumes all users have the technical knowledge and time to do so. This should not be a user's responsibility; privacy should be a default setting, not an option for the tech-savvy. 4. Lastly, just because the browsing history isn't directly submitted to Google does not mean it cannot be misused. Even if Google uses this data responsibly, the potential for abuse still exists with third parties
matheusmoreira 3y ago
> Is it really just the money? I hope so. I can at least understand that. People have principles but they also have prices. It would be a completely different matter if they actually believed what they're doing is moral though.
kome 3y ago
No offense, but you are questioning google just now? Like... 2012 was the year to question Google about shady practices. Like bundling Chrome with other software and installing it without user agreements. But it's just an example among many.
GoblinSlayer 3y ago
>Is it really just the money? They all promote to manager position when there's opportunity, because it pays more.
vandox 3y ago
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bbor 3y ago

Many of them think they’re supporting the free and open internet. I can promise you that many ad engineers take privacy very seriously, and from their perspective, google is leading the charge on less invasive Display ad tech. I seriously doubt the people in this thread will agree with any of that, but I thought I’d answer the question. Of course, the money helps too - Google just recently laid off thousands of workers in an attempt to scare the rest into compliance

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Zetobal 3y ago
So google has their campuses in Bizarro World, got it.
dgan 3y ago
On another spectrum, RuZZians invading Ukraine right now are really thinking they are "liberating" it.
- izacus 3y ago
  Yeah, please don't compare ads with actual murdering, raping and civilan massacres.
  - maleldil 3y ago
    I don't think they're comparing the merits of either, but rather how can humans can convince themselves they're doing the right thing when it's obvious to us that they aren't. "no one thinks himself a villain, and few make decisions they think are wrong".
    - izacus 3y ago
      I'm still convinced they can find a more suitable and less gross comparison. You're seeing an Ad, not having your family shot in the head. Some perspective please.
- penneallagricia 3y ago
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  - dgan 3y ago
    Aw, poor invaders, such tough times with racism nowadays, can't even invade peacefully
    - penneallagricia 3y ago
      War or not, that doesn't justify you being a racist. Otherwise anyone could say that Ukrainians are all nostalgic of nazism.
- penneallagricia 3y ago
  Nice display of unwarranted racism on a completely unrelated thread.
tgv 3y ago
> from their perspective, google is leading the charge on less invasive Display ad tech That would require levels of cognitive dissonance rarely seen outside fraudulent politicians. But that's phrasing it sarcastically, something best avoided in conversations. Bluntly put: indeed, I don't believe you. You cannot work for Google/Alphabet, where 80% of revenue ($183 billion in 2020!) comes from ads, and believe you're doing privacy a favor.
- bbor 3y ago
  Google makes money from ads so therefor they can’t be leading the charge on less invasive ad tech…? They want less invasive ad tech, trust me. Regulatory capture only goes so far, and they know that well. Google is doing WAY more for “the next generation of display ads” than any other company. And I promise I’m not lying :) All of this is kinda silly, in the end: display ads are negligible when compared to their INSANE search ads revenue, and something tells me they’re not long for this world

jeroenhd 3y ago

I can see the point here. Ad companies will track your browsing history. Google doesn't want to rely on cookies and fingerprints and probably wants to nuke tracking capabilities as well, but doing so in their browser while they still sell ads would be regulatory suicide. Providing an open API for advertisers that doesn't require endless digital stalking is the only way Google will ever be able to enforce stricter anti tracking features. Their announcement that they were working on ending third party cookie tracking was met with threats of lawsuits and antitrust. A locally classified list of topics that can be spoofed by the user agent is an excellent privacy measure. Nobody wants ads, but I'd rather have Chrome enable site isolation than the current status quo. Honestly, I don't see the problem here. Your browsing history isn't submitted to Google according to the spec. There are aboit 8 bits of entropy for fingerprinting, but who cares when WebGPU and the canvas APIs provide ten times that already. The privacy invasion argument seems to be "but it's based on my browsing history" which is exactly how all major advertisers have been doing it for the last ten years. If this gets cancelled, Google isn't going to implement any anti tracking features in Chrome. They legally can't because of advertisers as scummy as them. They can choose between dropping their main source of income (lol), leaving Microsoft in charge of Chromium and killing Chrome (lol), do nothing against the current atate of the web amd tracking, or work with advertisers in a way that doesn't get them sued to hell over antitrust.

Zetobal 3y ago
1. The argument that "it's been happening for the last ten years" is not a valid justification for the continuation of a practice that infringes on user privacy. Progress in digital privacy rights should aim at enhancing user control over their data, not maintaining status quo. 2. The suggestion that Google has only a limited choice between maintaining its main source of income or facing antitrust lawsuits is an oversimplification. Google, as one of the most influential tech companies, has the power and resources to innovate and find alternative models that respect user privacy while also providing value to their advertisers. 3. The idea that an API to track browsing history is a "privacy measure" because it can be "spoofed" by the user is flawed because it assumes all users have the technical knowledge and time to do so. This should not be a user's responsibility; privacy should be a default setting, not an option for the tech-savvy. 4. Lastly, just because the browsing history isn't directly submitted to Google does not mean it cannot be misused. Even if Google uses this data responsibly, the potential for abuse still exists with third parties

matheusmoreira 3y ago

> Is it really just the money? I hope so. I can at least understand that. People have principles but they also have prices. It would be a completely different matter if they actually believed what they're doing is moral though.

kome 3y ago

No offense, but you are questioning google just now? Like... 2012 was the year to question Google about shady practices. Like bundling Chrome with other software and installing it without user agreements. But it's just an example among many.

GoblinSlayer 3y ago

>Is it really just the money? They all promote to manager position when there's opportunity, because it pays more.

vandox 3y ago

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