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Yup. For a couple dozen languages, GPT-4 is by far the best translator you can get your hands on (better than deepl, google, papago etc). also current MT bench

Yup. For a couple dozen languages, GPT-4 is by far the best translator you can get your hands on (better than deepl, google, papago etc). also current MT benchmarks are completely broken for whatever reason (benchmark itself and/or evaluation model ). They don't reflect reality at all.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>For a couple dozen languages, GPT-4 is by far the best translator you can get your hands on (better than deepl, google, papago etc). Yeah, I have no idea how the likes of DeepL and other paid-for translators are going to survive long term when "GPT-4 and friends" are that good. What's their business plan? DeppL tried to compensate by making their front-end more annoying and hijacking clicks and highlights which invalidate the browser spell checker, making it impossible to correct a word via click, which I guess is one way of expediting their demise. The sad part is, in my small town there's the office of another small ML driven translation start-up that was way better than Google when it launched a few years ago, but now when I check their careers page, they're not hiring anymore which I guess says enough about their business and future growth plans. Dead man walking.
- circuit10 3y ago
  Well GPT-4 is very expensive (though that could change) Less so than hiring a human but not cheap enough that you’d want it to automatically translate long websites as a browser extension or anything like that
justinclift 3y ago
Wonder how it'll handle Korean? A friend who translates Korean has pointed out that it's kind of special, in that the symbols used are exactly the same for many different things. So the only way to know the actual meaning is from context, which is what then needs translating. Apparently online translators from Korean to other languages are truly, horribly bad due to this.
- famouswaffles 3y ago
  Korean is the language I know. What I said is the same for it. Hangul(Korean writing system) is not a logograph like Chinese/Japanese but an alphabet. Many words do have different meanings but all languages have this to an extent. I don't think that's the reason Korean is context dependent. The bigger reason is that Korean is very pro drop. Strictly speaking 친구 있어요 ? means Friend Have ? And you would say exactly that for any of these English equivalents "Do they have friends ?" "Do you have a friend ?" "Do you have friends ?" "Does he have a friend ?" And so on. Plurality as a special marker doesn't really exist. Possessive and Article Determiners don't really exist either. Articles don't exist at all. Possessive markers are few and only used when surrounding context might not be enough to convey the needed information. Subject/Object/Topic markers exist but are regularly omitted. You might ask, well how would you know which of those equivalents 친구 있어요 means ? There is no way to tell before reading or hearing the surrounding context. Traditional models are unable to decipher this context and translations are only good with close language pairs. Google translate can be very good for English to French and Japanese to Korean but fail on Korean to English.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago

>For a couple dozen languages, GPT-4 is by far the best translator you can get your hands on (better than deepl, google, papago etc). Yeah, I have no idea how the likes of DeepL and other paid-for translators are going to survive long term when "GPT-4 and friends" are that good. What's their business plan? DeppL tried to compensate by making their front-end more annoying and hijacking clicks and highlights which invalidate the browser spell checker, making it impossible to correct a word via click, which I guess is one way of expediting their demise. The sad part is, in my small town there's the office of another small ML driven translation start-up that was way better than Google when it launched a few years ago, but now when I check their careers page, they're not hiring anymore which I guess says enough about their business and future growth plans. Dead man walking.

circuit10 3y ago
Well GPT-4 is very expensive (though that could change) Less so than hiring a human but not cheap enough that you’d want it to automatically translate long websites as a browser extension or anything like that

justinclift 3y ago

Wonder how it'll handle Korean? A friend who translates Korean has pointed out that it's kind of special, in that the symbols used are exactly the same for many different things. So the only way to know the actual meaning is from context, which is what then needs translating. Apparently online translators from Korean to other languages are truly, horribly bad due to this.

famouswaffles 3y ago
Korean is the language I know. What I said is the same for it. Hangul(Korean writing system) is not a logograph like Chinese/Japanese but an alphabet. Many words do have different meanings but all languages have this to an extent. I don't think that's the reason Korean is context dependent. The bigger reason is that Korean is very pro drop. Strictly speaking 친구 있어요 ? means Friend Have ? And you would say exactly that for any of these English equivalents "Do they have friends ?" "Do you have a friend ?" "Do you have friends ?" "Does he have a friend ?" And so on. Plurality as a special marker doesn't really exist. Possessive and Article Determiners don't really exist either. Articles don't exist at all. Possessive markers are few and only used when surrounding context might not be enough to convey the needed information. Subject/Object/Topic markers exist but are regularly omitted. You might ask, well how would you know which of those equivalents 친구 있어요 means ? There is no way to tell before reading or hearing the surrounding context. Traditional models are unable to decipher this context and translations are only good with close language pairs. Google translate can be very good for English to French and Japanese to Korean but fail on Korean to English.