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I chuckled myself. Tourists spending thousands to visit the city aren't going to stay 2 hours away in another crap apartment in Jersey.

cardamomo 3y ago
I don't know about that. They're already spending $$$ on crap apartments in deep Brooklyn. That's at least an hour to lower Manhattan, easily two hours to upper.
- mancerayder 3y ago
  Fair point but deep Brooklyn is still NY, and for that matter Brooklyn has sparked curiosity in Europe a lot in the last decade. There's a ton of European tourists. And deep Brooklyn has some things to see. Prospect Park, BK Museum, and some old school ethnic enclaves that pop up in Time Out type guides.
  - cardamomo 3y ago
    Also a good point! I recently moved away from Brooklyn, but I lived there for 9 years and would heartily recommend a Brooklyn-only tourist itinerary. Thanks for the perspective.
gruez 3y ago
> I chuckled myself. Tourists spending thousands to visit the city aren't going to stay 2 hours away in another crap apartment in Jersey. Isn't new jersey right across the river from new york, with rapid transit lines going into new york? Your "2 hours" estimate seems wildly inflated.
- CharlieDigital 3y ago
  Yes it is. In fact, it's probably cheaper/easier to park in JC and take the PATH into NYC.
- routerl 3y ago
  > Isn't new jersey right across the river from new york, with rapid transit lines going into new york? In Chongqing, map apps will often recommend a "nearby" restaurant which actually is several hundred meters away, vertically; you'll have to descend many stair steps before arriving at that restaurant, even though it looked so close on the map. In other words, the restaurant was not actually "close", when it comes to the time and energy investment required. In this same spirit, New Jersey is absolutely not "close" to Manhattan, even if it looks close on maps. Traffic sucks, public transportation sucks, bridges and tunnels suck.
  - yunwal 3y ago
    The PATH is pretty good as long as you can stand a few minutes without internet and aren’t staying up until 4am. It used to be regularly late and require a different subway card which was annoying, but those issues have been fixed. The cars and stations are also typically cleaner and less crowded than the nyc subways. Staying in Jersey City or Hoboken could definitely be an option for people who don’t need to be stumbling distance from bars.
- midoridensha 3y ago
  There's many other places in northern New Jersey that are less than 1 hour away from Manhattan by bus too.
- toofy 3y ago
  jersey city took care of this years ago, like 70% of voters passed a bill regulating airbnbs. [0] any rentals less than 30 days are not allowed unless it’s a room in your house, that you live in, and you have to be there, present, while the guests are there. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/05/nyregion/airbnb-jersey-city-election-results.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/05/nyregion/airbnb-jersey-ci...
  - tayo42 3y ago
    How much did rents drop by after this?
borissk 3y ago
So you think everyone visiting NY is a millionaire, who won't trade 2 hours of his/her time for saving money on accommodation.
CharlieDigital 3y ago
It's literally a 10 minute max PATH ride from Exchange Place in Jersey City.
kbos87 3y ago
The anti Airbnb narrative always assumes we are talking about some crappy apartment that someone was duped into staying in. Let's entertain the idea for just a minute that you are an extended family visiting NYC. You need 2-3 bedrooms, some amount of space to spread out, and a kitchen could potentially save you some real money vs. eating out for every meal. Hotel rooms like that really don't exist, at least for normal people. On Airbnb you could probably find a comfortable luxury condo that checks every one of those boxes and saves you thousands of dollars compared to booking 3 hotel rooms.
- wombat-man 3y ago
  ok well it's a 2-3 bedroom apartment a family or roommates can't live in then. Plenty of hotels have rooms with two queens that can comfortably sleep 4 people.
  - flashgordon 3y ago
    Come on. As much as i hate Airbnb this doesn't paint hotels in a good light for larger groups or those with kids. When you have stricter dietary restrictions cooking our own meals is highly desirable and affordable hotels in this area - nil. Travelling in a group .. okay good luck. What I hate about Airbnb is all the hidden fees and ridiculous homework you have to do when leaving. Regulation could have gone to fix that but yeah here are some flying pigs!
    - wombat-man 3y ago
      Come on, people live in this city and rent is high as you might have heard. People are getting priced out so middlmen can make bank renting these things? If staying in a hotel isn't convenient or affordable I'm sorry? Perhaps one day you can figure it out.
    - mellavora 3y ago
      > What I hate about Airbnb is all the hidden fees and ridiculous homework you have to do when leaving. Regulation could have gone to fix that but yeah here are some flying pigs! Airbnb could have gone to fix that. Why leave it to regulation?

cardamomo 3y ago

I don't know about that. They're already spending $$$ on crap apartments in deep Brooklyn. That's at least an hour to lower Manhattan, easily two hours to upper.

mancerayder 3y ago
Fair point but deep Brooklyn is still NY, and for that matter Brooklyn has sparked curiosity in Europe a lot in the last decade. There's a ton of European tourists. And deep Brooklyn has some things to see. Prospect Park, BK Museum, and some old school ethnic enclaves that pop up in Time Out type guides.
- cardamomo 3y ago
  Also a good point! I recently moved away from Brooklyn, but I lived there for 9 years and would heartily recommend a Brooklyn-only tourist itinerary. Thanks for the perspective.

gruez 3y ago

> I chuckled myself. Tourists spending thousands to visit the city aren't going to stay 2 hours away in another crap apartment in Jersey. Isn't new jersey right across the river from new york, with rapid transit lines going into new york? Your "2 hours" estimate seems wildly inflated.

CharlieDigital 3y ago
Yes it is. In fact, it's probably cheaper/easier to park in JC and take the PATH into NYC.
routerl 3y ago
> Isn't new jersey right across the river from new york, with rapid transit lines going into new york? In Chongqing, map apps will often recommend a "nearby" restaurant which actually is several hundred meters away, vertically; you'll have to descend many stair steps before arriving at that restaurant, even though it looked so close on the map. In other words, the restaurant was not actually "close", when it comes to the time and energy investment required. In this same spirit, New Jersey is absolutely not "close" to Manhattan, even if it looks close on maps. Traffic sucks, public transportation sucks, bridges and tunnels suck.
- yunwal 3y ago
  The PATH is pretty good as long as you can stand a few minutes without internet and aren’t staying up until 4am. It used to be regularly late and require a different subway card which was annoying, but those issues have been fixed. The cars and stations are also typically cleaner and less crowded than the nyc subways. Staying in Jersey City or Hoboken could definitely be an option for people who don’t need to be stumbling distance from bars.
midoridensha 3y ago
There's many other places in northern New Jersey that are less than 1 hour away from Manhattan by bus too.
toofy 3y ago
jersey city took care of this years ago, like 70% of voters passed a bill regulating airbnbs. [0] any rentals less than 30 days are not allowed unless it’s a room in your house, that you live in, and you have to be there, present, while the guests are there. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/05/nyregion/airbnb-jersey-city-election-results.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/05/nyregion/airbnb-jersey-ci...
- tayo42 3y ago
  How much did rents drop by after this?

borissk 3y ago

So you think everyone visiting NY is a millionaire, who won't trade 2 hours of his/her time for saving money on accommodation.

CharlieDigital 3y ago

It's literally a 10 minute max PATH ride from Exchange Place in Jersey City.

kbos87 3y ago

The anti Airbnb narrative always assumes we are talking about some crappy apartment that someone was duped into staying in. Let's entertain the idea for just a minute that you are an extended family visiting NYC. You need 2-3 bedrooms, some amount of space to spread out, and a kitchen could potentially save you some real money vs. eating out for every meal. Hotel rooms like that really don't exist, at least for normal people. On Airbnb you could probably find a comfortable luxury condo that checks every one of those boxes and saves you thousands of dollars compared to booking 3 hotel rooms.

wombat-man 3y ago
ok well it's a 2-3 bedroom apartment a family or roommates can't live in then. Plenty of hotels have rooms with two queens that can comfortably sleep 4 people.
- flashgordon 3y ago
  Come on. As much as i hate Airbnb this doesn't paint hotels in a good light for larger groups or those with kids. When you have stricter dietary restrictions cooking our own meals is highly desirable and affordable hotels in this area - nil. Travelling in a group .. okay good luck. What I hate about Airbnb is all the hidden fees and ridiculous homework you have to do when leaving. Regulation could have gone to fix that but yeah here are some flying pigs!
  - wombat-man 3y ago
    Come on, people live in this city and rent is high as you might have heard. People are getting priced out so middlmen can make bank renting these things? If staying in a hotel isn't convenient or affordable I'm sorry? Perhaps one day you can figure it out.
  - mellavora 3y ago
    > What I hate about Airbnb is all the hidden fees and ridiculous homework you have to do when leaving. Regulation could have gone to fix that but yeah here are some flying pigs! Airbnb could have gone to fix that. Why leave it to regulation?