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> It's unambiguously GOOD for the applicant to know the expected compensation before applying. Only if the expected compensation is referential and doesn't hav

> It's unambiguously GOOD for the applicant to know the expected compensation before applying. Only if the expected compensation is referential and doesn't have to be honored. If the expected compensation has to be honored, then you have no way to negotiate a salary higher than the upper bound or lower than the lower bound.

yCombLinks 3y ago
Yes, the negotiation happens before you waste your time going through the interview process. If they aren't willing to pay what you want, don't apply.
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- diego_sandoval 3y ago
  Which just proves my point: If I (hypothetically) don't do my application process in your expected way, I'm going to be penalized by this law, so it's not unambiguously good for the applicant.
genocidicbunny 3y ago
> If the expected compensation has to be honored, then you have no way to negotiate a salary higher than the upper bound or lower than the lower bound. That's when you see that the upper bound they wish to pay doesn't match your lower bound, close the tab with that job listing and move onto the next one. Negotiation done. No one is twisting your arm forcing you to apply to a job that is below your desired compensation.
- jahewson 3y ago
  Actually I think that is a bad thing. Employee negotiating power is strictly capped under such a system. If every employer offers the same range, you’re screwed.
  - genocidicbunny 3y ago
    > If every employer offers the same range, you’re screwed. That's not likely to happen outside of collusion, or a severely limited labour market where there are very few employers to choose from. If every employer is offering the same compensation, then the first one to go slightly above that range will probably see more applicants.
- diego_sandoval 3y ago
  You're already instructing me on how to do my application process. What if I don't want to do my application process your way? Is it fair for me to be penalized by the law for doing something in an unexpected, but legal and unharmful way?

yCombLinks 3y ago

Yes, the negotiation happens before you waste your time going through the interview process. If they aren't willing to pay what you want, don't apply.

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diego_sandoval 3y ago
Which just proves my point: If I (hypothetically) don't do my application process in your expected way, I'm going to be penalized by this law, so it's not unambiguously good for the applicant.

genocidicbunny 3y ago

> If the expected compensation has to be honored, then you have no way to negotiate a salary higher than the upper bound or lower than the lower bound. That's when you see that the upper bound they wish to pay doesn't match your lower bound, close the tab with that job listing and move onto the next one. Negotiation done. No one is twisting your arm forcing you to apply to a job that is below your desired compensation.

jahewson 3y ago
Actually I think that is a bad thing. Employee negotiating power is strictly capped under such a system. If every employer offers the same range, you’re screwed.
- genocidicbunny 3y ago
  > If every employer offers the same range, you’re screwed. That's not likely to happen outside of collusion, or a severely limited labour market where there are very few employers to choose from. If every employer is offering the same compensation, then the first one to go slightly above that range will probably see more applicants.
diego_sandoval 3y ago
You're already instructing me on how to do my application process. What if I don't want to do my application process your way? Is it fair for me to be penalized by the law for doing something in an unexpected, but legal and unharmful way?