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> Opponents of the measure, though, claim that the new measure will do significant damage to the tourism industry in New York City — potentially driving would-b
by davewritescode 3y ago
> Opponents of the measure, though, claim that the new measure will do significant damage to the tourism industry in New York City — potentially driving would-be visitors to New Jersey
Just LOL
If you believe is that New Jersey is just waiting in the wings to take tourism from NYC I've got a bridge in Brooklyn available for a good price.
- nine_zeros 3y agoI chuckled myself. Tourists spending thousands to visit the city aren't going to stay 2 hours away in another crap apartment in Jersey.
- cardamomo 3y agoI don't know about that. They're already spending $$$ on crap apartments in deep Brooklyn. That's at least an hour to lower Manhattan, easily two hours to upper.
- mancerayder 3y agoFair point but deep Brooklyn is still NY, and for that matter Brooklyn has sparked curiosity in Europe a lot in the last decade. There's a ton of European tourists. And deep Brooklyn has some things to see. Prospect Park, BK Museum, and some old school ethnic enclaves that pop up in Time Out type guides.
- cardamomo 3y agoAlso a good point! I recently moved away from Brooklyn, but I lived there for 9 years and would heartily recommend a Brooklyn-only tourist itinerary. Thanks for the perspective.
- gruez 3y ago> I chuckled myself. Tourists spending thousands to visit the city aren't going to stay 2 hours away in another crap apartment in Jersey. Isn't new jersey right across the river from new york, with rapid transit lines going into new york? Your "2 hours" estimate seems wildly inflated.
- CharlieDigital 3y agoYes it is. In fact, it's probably cheaper/easier to park in JC and take the PATH into NYC.
- routerl 3y ago> Isn't new jersey right across the river from new york, with rapid transit lines going into new york? In Chongqing, map apps will often recommend a "nearby" restaurant which actually is several hundred meters away, vertically; you'll have to descend many stair steps before arriving at that restaurant, even though it looked so close on the map. In other words, the restaurant was not actually "close", when it comes to the time and energy investment required. In this same spirit, New Jersey is absolutely not "close" to Manhattan, even if it looks close on maps. Traffic sucks, public transportation sucks, bridges and tunnels suck.
- yunwal 3y agoThe PATH is pretty good as long as you can stand a few minutes without internet and aren’t staying up until 4am. It used to be regularly late and require a different subway card which was annoying, but those issues have been fixed. The cars and stations are also typically cleaner and less crowded than the nyc subways. Staying in Jersey City or Hoboken could definitely be an option for people who don’t need to be stumbling distance from bars.
- midoridensha 3y agoThere's many other places in northern New Jersey that are less than 1 hour away from Manhattan by bus too.
- toofy 3y agojersey city took care of this years ago, like 70% of voters passed a bill regulating airbnbs. [0] any rentals less than 30 days are not allowed unless it’s a room in your house, that you live in, and you have to be there, present, while the guests are there. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/05/nyregion/airbnb-jersey-city-election-results.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/05/nyregion/airbnb-jersey-ci...
- borissk 3y agoSo you think everyone visiting NY is a millionaire, who won't trade 2 hours of his/her time for saving money on accommodation.
- CharlieDigital 3y agoIt's literally a 10 minute max PATH ride from Exchange Place in Jersey City.
- kbos87 3y agoThe anti Airbnb narrative always assumes we are talking about some crappy apartment that someone was duped into staying in. Let's entertain the idea for just a minute that you are an extended family visiting NYC. You need 2-3 bedrooms, some amount of space to spread out, and a kitchen could potentially save you some real money vs. eating out for every meal. Hotel rooms like that really don't exist, at least for normal people. On Airbnb you could probably find a comfortable luxury condo that checks every one of those boxes and saves you thousands of dollars compared to booking 3 hotel rooms.
- wombat-man 3y agook well it's a 2-3 bedroom apartment a family or roommates can't live in then. Plenty of hotels have rooms with two queens that can comfortably sleep 4 people.
- flashgordon 3y agoCome on. As much as i hate Airbnb this doesn't paint hotels in a good light for larger groups or those with kids. When you have stricter dietary restrictions cooking our own meals is highly desirable and affordable hotels in this area - nil. Travelling in a group .. okay good luck. What I hate about Airbnb is all the hidden fees and ridiculous homework you have to do when leaving. Regulation could have gone to fix that but yeah here are some flying pigs!
- wombat-man 3y agoCome on, people live in this city and rent is high as you might have heard. People are getting priced out so middlmen can make bank renting these things? If staying in a hotel isn't convenient or affordable I'm sorry? Perhaps one day you can figure it out.
- mellavora 3y ago> What I hate about Airbnb is all the hidden fees and ridiculous homework you have to do when leaving. Regulation could have gone to fix that but yeah here are some flying pigs! Airbnb could have gone to fix that. Why leave it to regulation?
- wombat-man 3y agoSure, let em stay there and commute in for sightseeing. oh noooo
- borissk 3y agoDo you mean New Jersey won't be happy to host more tourists? Why is that?
- paulgb 3y agoI've commuted from NYC to NJ to rent a car with Turo (the AirBnB of cars, which is not allowed to operate in NY). Granted, I probably wouldn't do it again, but I could imagine Jersey City AirBnBs being appealing to NYC visitors on a budget.
- mancerayder 3y agoJust think of the views from Edgewater or West New York! Jersey City has become fairly interesting, but I don't see tourists from Sweden going to stay there so they can visit the Empire State Building.
- rcme 3y agoJersey City seems to have a lot of tourists, but they also restricted AirBnB a few years back.
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- kylecazar 3y agoMy commute from Paulus Hook, NJ to the World Trade Center was 7 minutes.
- ahstilde 3y agoJersey City Waterfront is significantly underrated compared to inaccessible areas like Brooklyn's Williamsburg.
- rr808 3y agoJersey City banned AirBnB many years ago already. No rentals allowed <28 days. Edit - actually they are just strictly regulated. I know my friend gave up hosting after the law went in. https://www.airbnb.com/help/article/2682 https://www.airbnb.com/help/article/2682
- throwoutway 3y agoIs it irony that the opponents of the measure didn't even know this when they complained this would happen? Or just ignorance
- runnerup 3y agoWhile it’s good to give the benefit of the doubt, in politics it’s foolish to rule out malice without evidence against malice.
- fasthands9 3y agoI think they just mean people will stay in New Jersey - which would be extremely plausible if NJ allowed more hotels to be built. Most of the tourist stuff in NYC is in midtown which is a 15/20 minute public transit ride from the port authority/penn station/broadway area. I have family that stays in Stamford Connecticut whenever they want to do stuff in NYC, because they find it cheaper/easier to stay there and take the train in.
- lacrimacida 3y agoI wouldn’t see the problem with that. Tourists would still flock to NYC during the day and businesses need not worry from a drop in business, it’ll work out.
- HWR_14 3y agoSo tourists still spend all their time/money in NYC, with the exception of paying for sleeping accommodations (and taking up beds) there? Isn't that the ideal goal of this legislation?
- fasthands9 3y agoHotel tax is one of the easiest ways governments collect taxes from people who are not its own citizens - in NY its 6 percent. I am understanding of the arguments against Airbnb's, but they really need to allow more hotels to be built. The amount of money they can bring in (raised entirely from people out of state) is large and shouldn't be thrown away.
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- lotsoweiners 3y agoI guess Lin-Manuel was right…everything is legal in New Jersey.
- paulgb 3y agoExcept pumping your own gas.
- lotsofpulp 3y agoAnd buying beer/wine/liquor at 90% of restaurants and retail stores.
- cnasc 3y agoI’m not sure what the context here is, but as a lifelong NJ resident I can assure you that there are a lot more legal burdens here than you find in most other states. Of course we do ignore most of the driving laws
- paulgb 3y agoThe context is a lyric in the musical Hamilton referring to the Hamilton-Burr duel, which took place in NJ. Apparently dueling was already illegal in NJ. Lin-Manuel didn’t invent the phrase, and I wonder if the original meaning was more in the spirit of “New Yorkers can get away with violating NJ laws” rather than “New Jersey literally has no laws”. https://www.revolutionarywarnewjersey.com/new_jersey_revolutionary_war_sites/towns/weehawken_nj_revolutionary_war_sites.htm https://www.revolutionarywarnewjersey.com/new_jersey_revolut...
- philwelch 3y agoI just assumed it was comparing NJ to NY, which is even more restrictive.
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- listenallyall 3y agoOf course NJ isn't get to take the majority of NYC tourists but for those who are in town go to a game at Yankee Stadium, or perhaps this week's US Open, or people who just have a business meeting near Wall Street, there are far more convenient and economical places to stay than midtown Manhattan, or Manhattan at all.