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The lone gunman is now dead, etc. Judging how Sarkozy seems to have dealt with former political rival Dominique Strauss-Kahn, setting him up with a "rape", it'

The lone gunman is now dead, etc. Judging how Sarkozy seems to have dealt with former political rival Dominique Strauss-Kahn, setting him up with a "rape", it's entirely possibly. French intelligence likely had the ability to pull strings in the terrorist community and Sarkozy likely has the ability to pull strings with French intellience.

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mc32 15y ago
While one may agree or disagree with Sarko, I think the personal history of Mr DSK would ague against this having been a "set-up". The CIA, MI6 and all the other covert organs can't do someone as heinous as Assad but on the other hand they can at will, just pull framed rapes and crazy whackos killing and terrorizing people to create a desired result? It reeks of "wanting to believe" as much as a balding man with a hot partner will "want to believe" the partner is not cheating when all the signs out there are signaling cheating.
- icebraining 15y ago
  Not that I believe this was made by the French Intelligence, but why do you assume the CIA can't do Assad? Why can't they just not be interested in doing so?
  - mc32 15y ago
    I meant in a way that was not traceable back to them --or traceable back to any state secret agency. You're right, if you mean they could, using any means --such as a recognizable drone. What I mean is, if they supposedly could pull off something like this crazy guy (in this case fall guy, if we are believe the conspiracy) why would they not pull the same to get rid of a problem in the ME --who just about everyone but Russia and china want gone?
- mcantelon 15y ago
  This article presents a pretty convincing argument for the idea that DSK was set up: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/dec/22/what-really-happened-dominique-strauss-kahn http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/dec/22/what-re... >the two men high-five each other, clap their hands, and do what looks like an extraordinary dance of celebration that lasts for three minutes.* They are then shown standing by the service door leading to 45th Street—apparently waiting for the police to arrive—where they are joined at 2:04 PM by Florian Schutz, the hotel manager. >the duty officer at the Accor Group in Paris ... responsible that weekend for handling emergencies at Accor Group hotels, including the Sofitel in New York ... sent a bizarre e-mail to his friend Colonel Thierry Bourret, the head of an environment and public health agency, claiming credit for “bringing down” DSK
  - mc32 15y ago
    The whole article reads very conspiratorially. A whole series of stars have to align just right to pull things off --and they do, if we take the article's hints. It's a whole lot of supposition and reading into after the fact. >>the two men high-five each other, clap their hands... People high-five for al sorts of reasons not related to what they are actually doing at the moment. "Hey, by the way, that date I taked to you about --yeah, it went off really well last night". That kind of unrelated stuff. >the duty officer at the Accor Group in Paris… sent a bizarre e-mail to… the head of an environment and public health agency, claiming credit for “bringing down” DSK Again. Anyone could claim anything. People brag about things they never did frequenlty -spec. when they find out about something they are excited about. It in and by itself is not evidence of anything conspiratorial. This is really like a "The Globe" article. Full of supposition and innuendo --nothing concrete, but nothing quite provably wrong --just improbable. It's unbelievable that they (whomever they are) could coordinate this whole thing in secrecy but then go on to do and say stupid things to bring things to light. It's like they're really smart and really dumb at the same time. It's an unlikely scenario --but not impossible. To put it succinctly, when I hear people laughing, they're probably not laughing at me.
    - mcantelon 15y ago
      >A whole series of stars have to align just right to pull things off --and they do, if we take the article's hints. On the difficulty scale of skullduggery and covert action, a fake rape accusation is about as easy as it gets. >This is really like a "The Globe" article. Full of supposition and innuendo --nothing concrete, but nothing quite provably wrong --just improbable. It's hardly improbable. People have used sex for blackmail, intelligence gathering, and character assassination for thousands of years.

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mc32 15y ago

While one may agree or disagree with Sarko, I think the personal history of Mr DSK would ague against this having been a "set-up". The CIA, MI6 and all the other covert organs can't do someone as heinous as Assad but on the other hand they can at will, just pull framed rapes and crazy whackos killing and terrorizing people to create a desired result? It reeks of "wanting to believe" as much as a balding man with a hot partner will "want to believe" the partner is not cheating when all the signs out there are signaling cheating.

icebraining 15y ago
Not that I believe this was made by the French Intelligence, but why do you assume the CIA can't do Assad? Why can't they just not be interested in doing so?
- mc32 15y ago
  I meant in a way that was not traceable back to them --or traceable back to any state secret agency. You're right, if you mean they could, using any means --such as a recognizable drone. What I mean is, if they supposedly could pull off something like this crazy guy (in this case fall guy, if we are believe the conspiracy) why would they not pull the same to get rid of a problem in the ME --who just about everyone but Russia and china want gone?
mcantelon 15y ago
This article presents a pretty convincing argument for the idea that DSK was set up: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/dec/22/what-really-happened-dominique-strauss-kahn http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/dec/22/what-re... >the two men high-five each other, clap their hands, and do what looks like an extraordinary dance of celebration that lasts for three minutes.* They are then shown standing by the service door leading to 45th Street—apparently waiting for the police to arrive—where they are joined at 2:04 PM by Florian Schutz, the hotel manager. >the duty officer at the Accor Group in Paris ... responsible that weekend for handling emergencies at Accor Group hotels, including the Sofitel in New York ... sent a bizarre e-mail to his friend Colonel Thierry Bourret, the head of an environment and public health agency, claiming credit for “bringing down” DSK
- mc32 15y ago
  The whole article reads very conspiratorially. A whole series of stars have to align just right to pull things off --and they do, if we take the article's hints. It's a whole lot of supposition and reading into after the fact. >>the two men high-five each other, clap their hands... People high-five for al sorts of reasons not related to what they are actually doing at the moment. "Hey, by the way, that date I taked to you about --yeah, it went off really well last night". That kind of unrelated stuff. >the duty officer at the Accor Group in Paris… sent a bizarre e-mail to… the head of an environment and public health agency, claiming credit for “bringing down” DSK Again. Anyone could claim anything. People brag about things they never did frequenlty -spec. when they find out about something they are excited about. It in and by itself is not evidence of anything conspiratorial. This is really like a "The Globe" article. Full of supposition and innuendo --nothing concrete, but nothing quite provably wrong --just improbable. It's unbelievable that they (whomever they are) could coordinate this whole thing in secrecy but then go on to do and say stupid things to bring things to light. It's like they're really smart and really dumb at the same time. It's an unlikely scenario --but not impossible. To put it succinctly, when I hear people laughing, they're probably not laughing at me.
  - mcantelon 15y ago
    >A whole series of stars have to align just right to pull things off --and they do, if we take the article's hints. On the difficulty scale of skullduggery and covert action, a fake rape accusation is about as easy as it gets. >This is really like a "The Globe" article. Full of supposition and innuendo --nothing concrete, but nothing quite provably wrong --just improbable. It's hardly improbable. People have used sex for blackmail, intelligence gathering, and character assassination for thousands of years.