> people will still want to signal their commitment/ability to provide when proposing Anyone over about 25 and actually mature enough to commit probably doesn'

> people will still want to signal their commitment/ability to provide when proposing Anyone over about 25 and actually mature enough to commit probably doesn't care that much about the ring as long as it's not literally a funyun. How about a nice home, a leisurely lifestyle and solid career, an amiable personality, a great social circle, track record of being dependable with family, etc. You know, the things the ring is supposed to actually represent.