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I was hoping for more substance than "guy who got rich off thing thinks thing is great" but there really isn't much else here.

reducesuffering 3y ago
Yann is the sole anti-doomer from the Bengio and Hinton trio. Also, the only one whose "salary depends upon his not understanding it," hmm...
- verdverm 3y ago
  > Also, the only one whose "salary depends upon his not understanding it," All of them make, and continue to make, money from talking about AI, the doomers are probably getting more attention because the public and media love a good thriller story. Would it not be the opposite though, that instilling fear to cause regulation will limit competition and new entrants? To me, the doomers of the trio seem to be the ones > whose "salary depends upon his not understanding it," hmm...
  - reducesuffering 3y ago
    The irony that your website is named "hofstadter", yet: "And my whole intellectual edifice, my system of beliefs... It's a very traumatic experience when some of your most core beliefs about the world start collapsing. And especially when you think that human beings are soon going to be eclipsed. It felt as if not only are my belief systems collapsing, but it feels as if the entire human race is going to be eclipsed and left in the dust soon." -Hofstadter https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/kAmgdEjq2eYQkB5PP/douglas-hofstadter-changes-his-mind-on-deep-learning-and-ai https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/kAmgdEjq2eYQkB5PP/douglas-ho... I suppose after everything you've read, he's just trying to make money selling more books or something...
    - verdverm 3y ago
      You know.. you can believe in or be inspired by someone without buying into everything they say... fyi, your comment is super low quality and on the line of antagonism, ironic given your HN handle would make one think you would not impose unnecessary suffering (by deriding something someone said) --- edit, your comment history is quite telling, I would change my HN handle if I were you
      - reducesuffering 3y ago
        > low quality > antagonism > change your handle Pot meet kettle Do you personally find yourself suffering because of this comment chain? I find myself in the school of prioritizing serious matters like homelessness, loneliness, destitution, slavery, truth, and averting death, when weighing against someone falsely claiming any amount of real suffering from an internet comment. Btw you should seriously consider the opinions of Hofstadter, Bengio, Hinton, many other preeminent scientists, and spend time figuring out why they think this way. There’s scenarios where a lot of unnecessary suffering comes if people don’t think it’s a catastrophic danger and try averting it.
        verdverm 3y ago
        ok doomer... review your comment history and see how your takes have fared
        reducesuffering 3y ago
        With net positive upvotes? Are you really making an appeal to popularity, anyway? You realize this place mostly laughed at OpenAI about AGI for years until ChatGPT came out. They were popularly wrong. Time will tell, you're just here: https://twitter.com/kristjanmoore/status/1663860424100413440 https://twitter.com/kristjanmoore/status/1663860424100413440
        verdverm 3y ago
        You're really good at whataboutism, I'll give you that https://youtu.be/c1Fv1uKTd-w?si=FnDPTkb1maXDiRLx https://youtu.be/c1Fv1uKTd-w?si=FnDPTkb1maXDiRLx

reducesuffering 3y ago

Yann is the sole anti-doomer from the Bengio and Hinton trio. Also, the only one whose "salary depends upon his not understanding it," hmm...

verdverm 3y ago
> Also, the only one whose "salary depends upon his not understanding it," All of them make, and continue to make, money from talking about AI, the doomers are probably getting more attention because the public and media love a good thriller story. Would it not be the opposite though, that instilling fear to cause regulation will limit competition and new entrants? To me, the doomers of the trio seem to be the ones > whose "salary depends upon his not understanding it," hmm...
- reducesuffering 3y ago
  The irony that your website is named "hofstadter", yet: "And my whole intellectual edifice, my system of beliefs... It's a very traumatic experience when some of your most core beliefs about the world start collapsing. And especially when you think that human beings are soon going to be eclipsed. It felt as if not only are my belief systems collapsing, but it feels as if the entire human race is going to be eclipsed and left in the dust soon." -Hofstadter https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/kAmgdEjq2eYQkB5PP/douglas-hofstadter-changes-his-mind-on-deep-learning-and-ai https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/kAmgdEjq2eYQkB5PP/douglas-ho... I suppose after everything you've read, he's just trying to make money selling more books or something...
  - verdverm 3y ago
    You know.. you can believe in or be inspired by someone without buying into everything they say... fyi, your comment is super low quality and on the line of antagonism, ironic given your HN handle would make one think you would not impose unnecessary suffering (by deriding something someone said) --- edit, your comment history is quite telling, I would change my HN handle if I were you
    - reducesuffering 3y ago
      > low quality > antagonism > change your handle Pot meet kettle Do you personally find yourself suffering because of this comment chain? I find myself in the school of prioritizing serious matters like homelessness, loneliness, destitution, slavery, truth, and averting death, when weighing against someone falsely claiming any amount of real suffering from an internet comment. Btw you should seriously consider the opinions of Hofstadter, Bengio, Hinton, many other preeminent scientists, and spend time figuring out why they think this way. There’s scenarios where a lot of unnecessary suffering comes if people don’t think it’s a catastrophic danger and try averting it.
      - verdverm 3y ago
        ok doomer... review your comment history and see how your takes have fared
        reducesuffering 3y ago
        With net positive upvotes? Are you really making an appeal to popularity, anyway? You realize this place mostly laughed at OpenAI about AGI for years until ChatGPT came out. They were popularly wrong. Time will tell, you're just here: https://twitter.com/kristjanmoore/status/1663860424100413440 https://twitter.com/kristjanmoore/status/1663860424100413440
        verdverm 3y ago
        You're really good at whataboutism, I'll give you that https://youtu.be/c1Fv1uKTd-w?si=FnDPTkb1maXDiRLx https://youtu.be/c1Fv1uKTd-w?si=FnDPTkb1maXDiRLx