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Screwing a cabinet together is actual work, you need to complete things at some expected pace at some expected quality (it's a low bar, but there's a bar). At

Screwing a cabinet together is actual work, you need to complete things at some expected pace at some expected quality (it's a low bar, but there's a bar). At Walmart most of the time you can just fuck around and not do much work, if you get fired at Walmart you just go fuck around at an oil change shop until they fire you. I know men that have done this their whole lives.

talldatethrow 3y ago
Idk if you've been to a Walmart or an oil change place.. but they get people to work pretty hard and efficiently for low wages. That's basically their secret sauce. My Walmart appears to be staffed by zombies, yet for the most part the store functions pretty well day in a day out, 365 days a year.
- micromacrofoot 3y ago
  Yes but they also get people who will just do the bare minimum and make everyone around them pick up the slack until someone takes the effort to fire them. There's essentially an entire category of people who do this.
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  - ahoka 3y ago
    They get paid the bare minumum and do the bare minimum in exchange. I don’t see a problem here. What do you do BTW? I would bet that not assembling cabinets.
    - Qwertious 3y ago
      The problem is that they put the whole store behind, then Walmart blames everyone for the store being behind and pressures them accordingly. Which is Walmart's fault, of course, but Walmart might as well be a force of nature as far as its workers are concerned; they can't change Walmart.
    - micromacrofoot 3y ago
      They're actually dead weight that the entire organization carries around, I honestly think in some cases they'd be better off being paid to not come to work. What I do isn't really relevant unless you're trying to make some personal slight.
cogman10 3y ago
For a much more charitable view, Everyone everywhere in the US knows walmart and how to get employed by them. Further, they trust walmart will pay on time. How many people know of Dave's cabinetry shop? How many people trust Dave's shop? To me, a large part of the actual problem here is a marketing problem. It's really hard for a small shop to market that "hey, we need workers, we are willing to pay a premium, and no we aren't a scam company".
- fragmede 3y ago
  Well, and you have to put up with Dave. He might be an asshole if you're not drinking buddies with him, for all we know. Dave can't afford to pay me enough to put up with his toxic abusive bossiness.
  - cogman10 3y ago
    Yeah, my point exactly on why someone would take a Walmart job over a Dave job.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
    Well, and you have to put up with your Walmart boss. S/he might be an asshole if you're not drinking buddies with them, for all we know. Walmart can't afford to pay me enough to put up with their toxic abusive bossiness, and don't offer much guarantee that the potential boss is better than Dave.
- Tangurena2 3y ago
  What makes it harder for many of those smaller shops is that they require the new worker to own their own tools. WalMart does not require workers to supply their own forklifts, nor bring their own mops & buckets when they start working there. Working in "the trades" is an entirely different thing.
  - micromacrofoot 3y ago
    who the heck requires someone to own their own forklift
bbradley406 3y ago
Custom cabinet work does not have a low bar. You need to be familiar with multiple joinery techniques and finishing methods, even if your parts are coming straight off a CNC. Getting them perfectly square, face framed, mounted etc takes a lot of time and attention. For houses where the framing was done poorly, it takes even more time. I believe fairly competent cabinet assemblers / installers are making $40-75 / hour depending on location. Everyone else paying less is half-assing it or doing a poor job.
- micromacrofoot 3y ago
  Sure, but an apprentice can learn the basics to be useful on the job in a couple days. That's not the point anyway, working entry-level retail is pretty much a 0 stakes job — quality has been mostly engineered out of it. Even a basic cabinet assembly job requires some quality control. Some people do not want to do anything of quality. IMO we'd all be better off if people had a universal basic income and these people could spend more time finding something else to do with their time.

talldatethrow 3y ago

Idk if you've been to a Walmart or an oil change place.. but they get people to work pretty hard and efficiently for low wages. That's basically their secret sauce. My Walmart appears to be staffed by zombies, yet for the most part the store functions pretty well day in a day out, 365 days a year.

micromacrofoot 3y ago
Yes but they also get people who will just do the bare minimum and make everyone around them pick up the slack until someone takes the effort to fire them. There's essentially an entire category of people who do this.
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- ahoka 3y ago
  They get paid the bare minumum and do the bare minimum in exchange. I don’t see a problem here. What do you do BTW? I would bet that not assembling cabinets.
  - Qwertious 3y ago
    The problem is that they put the whole store behind, then Walmart blames everyone for the store being behind and pressures them accordingly. Which is Walmart's fault, of course, but Walmart might as well be a force of nature as far as its workers are concerned; they can't change Walmart.
  - micromacrofoot 3y ago
    They're actually dead weight that the entire organization carries around, I honestly think in some cases they'd be better off being paid to not come to work. What I do isn't really relevant unless you're trying to make some personal slight.

cogman10 3y ago

For a much more charitable view, Everyone everywhere in the US knows walmart and how to get employed by them. Further, they trust walmart will pay on time. How many people know of Dave's cabinetry shop? How many people trust Dave's shop? To me, a large part of the actual problem here is a marketing problem. It's really hard for a small shop to market that "hey, we need workers, we are willing to pay a premium, and no we aren't a scam company".

fragmede 3y ago
Well, and you have to put up with Dave. He might be an asshole if you're not drinking buddies with him, for all we know. Dave can't afford to pay me enough to put up with his toxic abusive bossiness.
- cogman10 3y ago
  Yeah, my point exactly on why someone would take a Walmart job over a Dave job.
- PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
  Well, and you have to put up with your Walmart boss. S/he might be an asshole if you're not drinking buddies with them, for all we know. Walmart can't afford to pay me enough to put up with their toxic abusive bossiness, and don't offer much guarantee that the potential boss is better than Dave.
Tangurena2 3y ago
What makes it harder for many of those smaller shops is that they require the new worker to own their own tools. WalMart does not require workers to supply their own forklifts, nor bring their own mops & buckets when they start working there. Working in "the trades" is an entirely different thing.
- micromacrofoot 3y ago
  who the heck requires someone to own their own forklift

bbradley406 3y ago

Custom cabinet work does not have a low bar. You need to be familiar with multiple joinery techniques and finishing methods, even if your parts are coming straight off a CNC. Getting them perfectly square, face framed, mounted etc takes a lot of time and attention. For houses where the framing was done poorly, it takes even more time. I believe fairly competent cabinet assemblers / installers are making $40-75 / hour depending on location. Everyone else paying less is half-assing it or doing a poor job.

micromacrofoot 3y ago
Sure, but an apprentice can learn the basics to be useful on the job in a couple days. That's not the point anyway, working entry-level retail is pretty much a 0 stakes job — quality has been mostly engineered out of it. Even a basic cabinet assembly job requires some quality control. Some people do not want to do anything of quality. IMO we'd all be better off if people had a universal basic income and these people could spend more time finding something else to do with their time.