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> Currently EV charging in many places in Europe is a joke. So what. It's time to move, not wait around indefinitely for some perfect time to switch. Even if t

by pkulak 3y ago

> Currently EV charging in many places in Europe is a joke. So what. It's time to move, not wait around indefinitely for some perfect time to switch. Even if there wasn't a single public EV charger in all of Europe, it would still be time to ban gasoline cars. EDIT: Wow, HN really loves burning gasoline. My kids are in a LOT of trouble. My city, which is farther North than Toronto, Canada, just hit 116f a couple years ago, and now reliably spends at least a week with highs above 100. If you guys can't even imagine another way to get around, things may be hopeless. People spend so much effort to defend wasting their lives stuck in traffic.

TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
BEVs currently are niche expensive cars. This won't really change in next few years. You are getting downvoted, because you are darting forward, leaving most of the society behind. What do you think, that will happen when you throw overboard 80% of people who can't afford BEV or don't have infrastructure to sustain it? Well they will be pissed and vote for somebody else, probably some right wing populist who will start undoing all the progress on the green regulations.
- rhaway84773 3y ago
  The Chinese EV makers will change that very quickly if they haven’t already.
  - TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
    In the past, I have heard this about Japanese car makers, I have heard this about Korean car makers, now the song is about Chinese car makers.
- pkulak 3y ago
  The Bolt starts under 20 grand after rebates. There is exactly _one_ gas car that cheap, and it'll probably be gone after this model year. Besides, beginning to not sell gas cars five years from now isn't exactly "leaving most of society behind". Used gas cars will be available for decades even in that scenario, which is what most people buy anyway. But we can't even agree to do that piddling half-measure because I suspect you are right; we'll piss off the Nazis, and they vote.
  - freedude 3y ago
    GM is discontinuing the Bolt. Although "they" say they will bring it back later. https://www.wxyz.com/news/chevrolet-announces-bolt-ev-will-return-after-originally-planning-to-end-production https://www.wxyz.com/news/chevrolet-announces-bolt-ev-will-r...
PM_me_your_math 3y ago
Gasoline doesn't cause the jet stream to move north.
PeterStuer 3y ago
I don't love gasoline. I'm just observing that the rethoric and timeline of phasing out ICEs does not match the reality of what is happening on the ground in terms of required infrastructure upgrades.

by pkulak 3y ago

TheLoafOfBread 3y ago

BEVs currently are niche expensive cars. This won't really change in next few years. You are getting downvoted, because you are darting forward, leaving most of the society behind. What do you think, that will happen when you throw overboard 80% of people who can't afford BEV or don't have infrastructure to sustain it? Well they will be pissed and vote for somebody else, probably some right wing populist who will start undoing all the progress on the green regulations.

rhaway84773 3y ago
The Chinese EV makers will change that very quickly if they haven’t already.
- TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
  In the past, I have heard this about Japanese car makers, I have heard this about Korean car makers, now the song is about Chinese car makers.
pkulak 3y ago
The Bolt starts under 20 grand after rebates. There is exactly _one_ gas car that cheap, and it'll probably be gone after this model year. Besides, beginning to not sell gas cars five years from now isn't exactly "leaving most of society behind". Used gas cars will be available for decades even in that scenario, which is what most people buy anyway. But we can't even agree to do that piddling half-measure because I suspect you are right; we'll piss off the Nazis, and they vote.
- freedude 3y ago
  GM is discontinuing the Bolt. Although "they" say they will bring it back later. https://www.wxyz.com/news/chevrolet-announces-bolt-ev-will-return-after-originally-planning-to-end-production https://www.wxyz.com/news/chevrolet-announces-bolt-ev-will-r...

PM_me_your_math 3y ago

Gasoline doesn't cause the jet stream to move north.

PeterStuer 3y ago

I don't love gasoline. I'm just observing that the rethoric and timeline of phasing out ICEs does not match the reality of what is happening on the ground in terms of required infrastructure upgrades.