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No, but it's very hypocritical. They should at least have the decency to shut up. But BMW cars and decency is a contradiction in terms. What's even worse is tha

by petre 3y ago

No, but it's very hypocritical. They should at least have the decency to shut up. But BMW cars and decency is a contradiction in terms. What's even worse is that almost every European automaker, including Renault is now copying their butt ugly X class hatchbacks on steroids. Don't care if they build EVs or hydrogen burning ICE cars as long as I don't have to inhale smoke while tailing another vehicle or just walking or cycling along a busy road. If they converted current vehicles to burn H2 it would be even better.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>No, but it's very hypocritical. They should at least have the decency to shut up. That's not hypocritical, they're just saying it as it is. A failure of the european auto sector will mean waves of unemployment and a recession. It would be an economic disaster of biblic proportions of the Eurozone, regardless of the state of the environment. And voters and politicians first and foremost care abut having pensions, jobs to buy food and a roof over their head and will vote for that before the environment. It's a tragedy of the commons. The big German automakers screwed the pooch on electrification, falling behind Tesla and China, but since they're too big to fail for the EU economy, are throwing the weight around to have things their way and they'll most likely get it. >Don't care if they build EVs or hydrogen burning ICE cars as long as I don't have to inhale smoke while tailing another car or just walking along a busy road. Ok, but what does the state of cars in your city have to do with Greece's extreme weather phenomenons? If you had EVs everywhere now in your neighbourhood, those phenomenons would still happen as pollution still continues. No matter what bs Elon said, switching to EVs, does not magically fix the planet. Manufacturing EVs is more environmentally damaging than ICEs. Most of the earth's environmental damage doesn't come form Avergae Joe driving to work in his BMW. >If they converted current vehicles to burn H2 it would be equally awesome. Are we just making up fantasy situations now?
- petre 3y ago
  There's a war nearby, change some production lines and build APCs instead of butt ugly muscle cars that look like an APC with windows. Company + jobs + pensions saved. Crisis averted. Most of them are going to be destroyed anyway or sit around for a few decades gaining dust and rust save for an annual exercise or two after this is over.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    Wow, that's genius. How come they haven't thought of that? Have you tried applying for CEO at BMW? I'm not sure that's how defense procurement and economics of the defense sector work in peace time(Germany is not at war), but it seems like you have it all figured out.
    - tcfhgj 3y ago
      You should go live on GMB

by petre 3y ago

FirmwareBurner 3y ago

>No, but it's very hypocritical. They should at least have the decency to shut up. That's not hypocritical, they're just saying it as it is. A failure of the european auto sector will mean waves of unemployment and a recession. It would be an economic disaster of biblic proportions of the Eurozone, regardless of the state of the environment. And voters and politicians first and foremost care abut having pensions, jobs to buy food and a roof over their head and will vote for that before the environment. It's a tragedy of the commons. The big German automakers screwed the pooch on electrification, falling behind Tesla and China, but since they're too big to fail for the EU economy, are throwing the weight around to have things their way and they'll most likely get it. >Don't care if they build EVs or hydrogen burning ICE cars as long as I don't have to inhale smoke while tailing another car or just walking along a busy road. Ok, but what does the state of cars in your city have to do with Greece's extreme weather phenomenons? If you had EVs everywhere now in your neighbourhood, those phenomenons would still happen as pollution still continues. No matter what bs Elon said, switching to EVs, does not magically fix the planet. Manufacturing EVs is more environmentally damaging than ICEs. Most of the earth's environmental damage doesn't come form Avergae Joe driving to work in his BMW. >If they converted current vehicles to burn H2 it would be equally awesome. Are we just making up fantasy situations now?

petre 3y ago
There's a war nearby, change some production lines and build APCs instead of butt ugly muscle cars that look like an APC with windows. Company + jobs + pensions saved. Crisis averted. Most of them are going to be destroyed anyway or sit around for a few decades gaining dust and rust save for an annual exercise or two after this is over.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  Wow, that's genius. How come they haven't thought of that? Have you tried applying for CEO at BMW? I'm not sure that's how defense procurement and economics of the defense sector work in peace time(Germany is not at war), but it seems like you have it all figured out.
  - tcfhgj 3y ago
    You should go live on GMB