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I am describing the basic experience of having ADHD. ADHD is described as having difficulty with: * paying attention * listening closely * following instruc

I am describing the basic experience of having ADHD. ADHD is described as having difficulty with: * paying attention * listening closely * following instructions * organizing tasks in the workplace * keeping track of physical objects These are all things you need to do in a metal and woodshop! Have you never sat down and talked to someone with ADHD describe their basic experiences? I know people with ADHD who literally need all of their things hung up on display on a wall or else they lose them. There is an extremely popular guide for organizing with ADHD that recommends tearing cabinet doors off cabinets because it's impossible to remember where things are once put away. Here's a popular podcaster talking about having ADHD and needing accommodations, and goes deeply into his experiences with having ADHD and struggling to, for example, go to work on time because there are too many tasks to keep track of to go to work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToBxaBauF4M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToBxaBauF4M

pesus 3y ago
Yep, it’s essentially an executive function disorder at its core. ADD/ADHD has always been a misnomer.
- droopyEyelids 3y ago
  However, there is broad disagreement among professionals about the definition of Executive Function. Perhaps the most respected clinical researchers/professors on the subject Dr. Russel A Barkley, devotes a sizable chunk of his book to the many contradictory definitions that exist in scientific lit. https://www.guilford.com/books/Executive-Functions/Russell-Barkley/9781462545933 https://www.guilford.com/books/Executive-Functions/Russell-B... I bring this up to let space for discussion back into the topic. We shouldn't pretend like we have a full definition of ADHD or Executive Function Disorder. There are some aspects that receive wide agreement, a lot of pet theory unproven hypothesis being pushed around, and even more folklore disguised through scientific jargon.
gardenhedge 3y ago
> Have you never sat down and talked to someone with ADHD describe their basic experiences? My answer to this is the same as 99% of peoples answer: no.
- Kerb_ 3y ago
  Tbh that sounds like a lack of initiative on your part. Hearing out people's basic experiences is a good way to socially engage with people
  - gardenhedge 3y ago
    Whatever you're doing now is not a good way to socially engage anyway.
- EatingWithForks 3y ago
  Genuinely asking: Why are you asking for a source, and describing the depiction of a neurodevelopmental disorder as extreme, if you yourself seem to have very limited knowledge about the condition? What is your background of knowledge you are trying to use to measure something described as a disorder as extreme or not?
  - gardenhedge 3y ago
    Genuinely responding: Because it sounds extreme? You painted a picture of someone who is incompetent ("not being able to keep track of each tool being used, or the order in which to use them") and a danger to themselves and those around them ("they may be incredibly dangerous in a woodshop or metalshop" and "forgetting to unplug dangerous equipment"). That seems extreme to me, hence why I said "they seem extreme". I have been in the company of people with ADHD at various stages throughout my life and this depiction doesn't fully align with my personal observations. From what I've experienced, individuals with ADHD do face challenges, but they are not universally incompetent or dangerous. They may struggle in some areas but excel in others. My ask for a source was to understand if this portrayal was based on a study or evidence, or if it was a personal observation.

pesus 3y ago

Yep, it’s essentially an executive function disorder at its core. ADD/ADHD has always been a misnomer.

droopyEyelids 3y ago
However, there is broad disagreement among professionals about the definition of Executive Function. Perhaps the most respected clinical researchers/professors on the subject Dr. Russel A Barkley, devotes a sizable chunk of his book to the many contradictory definitions that exist in scientific lit. https://www.guilford.com/books/Executive-Functions/Russell-Barkley/9781462545933 https://www.guilford.com/books/Executive-Functions/Russell-B... I bring this up to let space for discussion back into the topic. We shouldn't pretend like we have a full definition of ADHD or Executive Function Disorder. There are some aspects that receive wide agreement, a lot of pet theory unproven hypothesis being pushed around, and even more folklore disguised through scientific jargon.

gardenhedge 3y ago

> Have you never sat down and talked to someone with ADHD describe their basic experiences? My answer to this is the same as 99% of peoples answer: no.

Kerb_ 3y ago
Tbh that sounds like a lack of initiative on your part. Hearing out people's basic experiences is a good way to socially engage with people
- gardenhedge 3y ago
  Whatever you're doing now is not a good way to socially engage anyway.
EatingWithForks 3y ago
Genuinely asking: Why are you asking for a source, and describing the depiction of a neurodevelopmental disorder as extreme, if you yourself seem to have very limited knowledge about the condition? What is your background of knowledge you are trying to use to measure something described as a disorder as extreme or not?
- gardenhedge 3y ago
  Genuinely responding: Because it sounds extreme? You painted a picture of someone who is incompetent ("not being able to keep track of each tool being used, or the order in which to use them") and a danger to themselves and those around them ("they may be incredibly dangerous in a woodshop or metalshop" and "forgetting to unplug dangerous equipment"). That seems extreme to me, hence why I said "they seem extreme". I have been in the company of people with ADHD at various stages throughout my life and this depiction doesn't fully align with my personal observations. From what I've experienced, individuals with ADHD do face challenges, but they are not universally incompetent or dangerous. They may struggle in some areas but excel in others. My ask for a source was to understand if this portrayal was based on a study or evidence, or if it was a personal observation.