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Anyone who works with or spends time with children will tell you that all kinds of behaviors, including violence, are learned from adults and peers. Once someo

Anyone who works with or spends time with children will tell you that all kinds of behaviors, including violence, are learned from adults and peers. Once someone starts talking about “culture” though they're usually veering toward some really vicious stereotypes and wink-nudge fig leafs that help people hold & promote racist attitudes without thinking of themselves as racist.

dotancohen 3y ago
> Once someone starts talking about “culture” though they're usually veering > toward some really vicious stereotypes and wink-nudge fig leafs that help > people hold & promote racist attitudes without thinking of themselves as racist. I would like to understand what you're talking about. Do you think that some people use culture as a proxy for race? Do you agree or disagree that different cultures have different values? Do you agree or disagree that culture is very closely associated by race? To be clear, my original comment did not address any of this. I was seriously discussing culture, not race. But I think that I have something to learn from someone who takes such a stance as you have written, so I don't mind if the subject drifts a bit OT.
- smogcutter 3y ago
  What’s a specific example of culture that would clarify your meaning in this post? > Bring up violent tendencies or anything to do with culture, and you'll be demonized.
jstarfish 3y ago
> Anyone who works with or spends time with children will tell you that all kinds of behaviors, including violence, are learned from adults and peers. That's literally everyone in the child's vicinity. What constitutes "culture" to you, if not the values shared and imparted by the influences around you? > Once someone starts talking about “culture” though they're usually veering toward some really vicious stereotypes and wink-nudge fig leafs that help people hold & promote racist attitudes without thinking of themselves as racist. You're calling him out for stereotyping...while confidently suggesting discussion of race/culture is usually racist, and anybody daring to initiate it is just a racist in denial? I don't even agree with him but holy shit man, rethink your approach.
- smogcutter 3y ago
  I thought this was clear in context but obviously not. Obviously not all discussions of race/culture are racist. However… > Bring up violent tendencies or anything to do with culture, and you'll be demonized. Is not all discussions of race/culture. Whose violent tendencies? What does OP mean by culture here? Unclear, it’s left to your imagination. Should it read: > Bring up violent tendencies or anything to do with culture [of teaching children violence] and you'll be demonized. Or should it read: > Bring up violent tendencies or anything to do with [violent people’s] culture, and you'll be demonized. Or should it read: >Bring up violent tendencies or anything to do with [you know who I mean’s] culture, and you'll be demonized. Why does OP expect to be demonized? Maybe because these are common racist shibboleths, in the same vein as someone trying to tell you about threats to “western civilization”. Idk if OP actually meant it that way. Their meaning was vague, which is how these things work. A good tule of thumb with strangers on the internet though is that if it quacks like a duck it might be a duck.

dotancohen 3y ago

> Once someone starts talking about “culture” though they're usually veering > toward some really vicious stereotypes and wink-nudge fig leafs that help > people hold & promote racist attitudes without thinking of themselves as racist. I would like to understand what you're talking about. Do you think that some people use culture as a proxy for race? Do you agree or disagree that different cultures have different values? Do you agree or disagree that culture is very closely associated by race? To be clear, my original comment did not address any of this. I was seriously discussing culture, not race. But I think that I have something to learn from someone who takes such a stance as you have written, so I don't mind if the subject drifts a bit OT.

smogcutter 3y ago
What’s a specific example of culture that would clarify your meaning in this post? > Bring up violent tendencies or anything to do with culture, and you'll be demonized.

jstarfish 3y ago

> Anyone who works with or spends time with children will tell you that all kinds of behaviors, including violence, are learned from adults and peers. That's literally everyone in the child's vicinity. What constitutes "culture" to you, if not the values shared and imparted by the influences around you? > Once someone starts talking about “culture” though they're usually veering toward some really vicious stereotypes and wink-nudge fig leafs that help people hold & promote racist attitudes without thinking of themselves as racist. You're calling him out for stereotyping...while confidently suggesting discussion of race/culture is usually racist, and anybody daring to initiate it is just a racist in denial? I don't even agree with him but holy shit man, rethink your approach.

smogcutter 3y ago
I thought this was clear in context but obviously not. Obviously not all discussions of race/culture are racist. However… > Bring up violent tendencies or anything to do with culture, and you'll be demonized. Is not all discussions of race/culture. Whose violent tendencies? What does OP mean by culture here? Unclear, it’s left to your imagination. Should it read: > Bring up violent tendencies or anything to do with culture [of teaching children violence] and you'll be demonized. Or should it read: > Bring up violent tendencies or anything to do with [violent people’s] culture, and you'll be demonized. Or should it read: >Bring up violent tendencies or anything to do with [you know who I mean’s] culture, and you'll be demonized. Why does OP expect to be demonized? Maybe because these are common racist shibboleths, in the same vein as someone trying to tell you about threats to “western civilization”. Idk if OP actually meant it that way. Their meaning was vague, which is how these things work. A good tule of thumb with strangers on the internet though is that if it quacks like a duck it might be a duck.