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> The solution we went with: Get the boys so high on stimulants they can sit still like the girls. This is a bit inaccurate. ADHD is diagnosed more in boys tha
by EatingWithForks 3y ago
> The solution we went with: Get the boys so high on stimulants they can sit still like the girls.
This is a bit inaccurate. ADHD is diagnosed more in boys than girls, but is way, way more debilitating than being energetic to the point where they may be incredibly dangerous in a woodshop or metalshop. It's not being able to keep track of each tool being used, or the order in which to use them. It's forgetting to turn machines off, and forgetting to unplug dangerous equipment. It's turning around to grab something and forgetting what you turned around for, and then forgetting the task you were doing before you realized you were missing a part.
I would argue against treating ADHD like it's not a legitimate disability that requires accommodation. In the past, people with ADHD were just told they were stupid, lazy, or absentminded, when in reality they had a neurological disorder that had no diagnosis and no treatment at the time.
That being said I overall agree with the fact that society doesn't allow for breathing room for people to be people and form human relationships that doesn't have a financial or economic angle. This is horrendous, and no amount of therapy or medication will resolve this fundamental, societal-level problem. But ADHD is real, acting like ADHD treatment is just societal feminization of men is a completely incorrect depiction of the disorder. We can simultaneously argue that the medical system is completely fucked and also acknowledge that sometimes you really do need a surgeon to repair broken legs!
- gardenhedge 3y agoSource on those actions being associated with ADHD? I'm not arguing they are not but they seem extreme.
- EatingWithForks 3y agoI am describing the basic experience of having ADHD. ADHD is described as having difficulty with: * paying attention * listening closely * following instructions * organizing tasks in the workplace * keeping track of physical objects These are all things you need to do in a metal and woodshop! Have you never sat down and talked to someone with ADHD describe their basic experiences? I know people with ADHD who literally need all of their things hung up on display on a wall or else they lose them. There is an extremely popular guide for organizing with ADHD that recommends tearing cabinet doors off cabinets because it's impossible to remember where things are once put away. Here's a popular podcaster talking about having ADHD and needing accommodations, and goes deeply into his experiences with having ADHD and struggling to, for example, go to work on time because there are too many tasks to keep track of to go to work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToBxaBauF4M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToBxaBauF4M
- pesus 3y agoYep, it’s essentially an executive function disorder at its core. ADD/ADHD has always been a misnomer.
- droopyEyelids 3y agoHowever, there is broad disagreement among professionals about the definition of Executive Function. Perhaps the most respected clinical researchers/professors on the subject Dr. Russel A Barkley, devotes a sizable chunk of his book to the many contradictory definitions that exist in scientific lit. https://www.guilford.com/books/Executive-Functions/Russell-Barkley/9781462545933 https://www.guilford.com/books/Executive-Functions/Russell-B... I bring this up to let space for discussion back into the topic. We shouldn't pretend like we have a full definition of ADHD or Executive Function Disorder. There are some aspects that receive wide agreement, a lot of pet theory unproven hypothesis being pushed around, and even more folklore disguised through scientific jargon.
- gardenhedge 3y ago> Have you never sat down and talked to someone with ADHD describe their basic experiences? My answer to this is the same as 99% of peoples answer: no.
- Kerb_ 3y agoTbh that sounds like a lack of initiative on your part. Hearing out people's basic experiences is a good way to socially engage with people
- gardenhedge 3y agoWhatever you're doing now is not a good way to socially engage anyway.
- EatingWithForks 3y agoGenuinely asking: Why are you asking for a source, and describing the depiction of a neurodevelopmental disorder as extreme, if you yourself seem to have very limited knowledge about the condition? What is your background of knowledge you are trying to use to measure something described as a disorder as extreme or not?
- footy 3y agoeh, as someone with not-even-severe ADHD (it's fairly well-managed on a low dose of medication as long as I work out every day) those things seem normal to me---not good, and incredibly frustrating, but not uncommon. I didn't take my meds yesterday because I'm not currently home so they're not in the same place they normally are and I forgot. I was going to go for a run, but by 8 am it was so hot I couldn't do it and just walked outside for a little while. I don't like taking my meds too late, and I wasn't working or really doing anything all day so I figured it was fine. My partner did have to work yesterday, and she asked me to feed her mice. Their cage has four (maybe three? several) levels, each one with its own door. I opened the second door from the top to feed them, but they were on the top level so I ended up opening that door to feed them instead. I then happily went and fixed myself dinner. I didn't notice I left the other door open until she came back an hour later. I'm just glad none of the mice escaped.