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> On the other, a washing machine. It'll wash clothes for 10-15 years, just fine. It may only get security updates for 5... but who cares. So it can't tell me b

by kxrm 3y ago

> On the other, a washing machine. It'll wash clothes for 10-15 years, just fine. It may only get security updates for 5... but who cares. So it can't tell me by app when my clothes are done, it is still very useful. > TVs, Cars, etc... all fit on this line in a way. Sure but you are missing an entire category of devices that revolve around home automation. Think light switches, dimmers, faders, plugs and door bells. These types of devices have an interface but also need IoT to be useful but not necessarily the cloud. If I install something like this in a light panel, it seems a little odd to me to "kill the IoT" of the device. It loses tremendous value. Again think of the incentives. Should we be incentivizing manufacturers to create devices that can so easily be created that lose value that I may have invested in as a part of a renovation? Can we create/incentivize an ecosystem of IoT devices that can live without the manufacturer tying these devices to a cloud service or the Internet in general? Let's find ways to incentivize second lives vs another renovation 5 years from now when my light switches and outlets no longer get updates.

ilc 3y ago
It is a continuum. Your light switches are close to the Alexa side of it alas. Yes, we should. But alas, the incentives run the exact reverse today. Today they get to monitor your usage of the lights, resell the data, etc. You are part of the product. OTOH: If I look at this as a vendor, where else where the light switch go for updates? I'd be VERY hesitant to direct wire any IOT device into my house, if I wasn't comfortable ripping it out in 6mo, when the company decides to desupport it and kill the app. For me this is a the exact opposite problem: I won't adopt until I know that these issues are ironed out, or I accept that the device is 100% disposable. There's cases where I can't avoid it, TVs, Cars, etc. It is pushed on me, like it or not. For those, I truly do want safe mode, so I can pick how it networks. To me this generation is lost. I accept that. It is sad. I want to win the NEXT one, or the one after. And only by making the life cycle EXPLICIT will we do that. When a customer goes into Home Depot and says "My lightswitch stopped working in 2 years, you got something that will live longer this time?" The problem is self solving.

by kxrm 3y ago

ilc 3y ago

It is a continuum. Your light switches are close to the Alexa side of it alas. Yes, we should. But alas, the incentives run the exact reverse today. Today they get to monitor your usage of the lights, resell the data, etc. You are part of the product. OTOH: If I look at this as a vendor, where else where the light switch go for updates? I'd be VERY hesitant to direct wire any IOT device into my house, if I wasn't comfortable ripping it out in 6mo, when the company decides to desupport it and kill the app. For me this is a the exact opposite problem: I won't adopt until I know that these issues are ironed out, or I accept that the device is 100% disposable. There's cases where I can't avoid it, TVs, Cars, etc. It is pushed on me, like it or not. For those, I truly do want safe mode, so I can pick how it networks. To me this generation is lost. I accept that. It is sad. I want to win the NEXT one, or the one after. And only by making the life cycle EXPLICIT will we do that. When a customer goes into Home Depot and says "My lightswitch stopped working in 2 years, you got something that will live longer this time?" The problem is self solving.