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// Looks is paramount - I worked so hard to be financially stable and didn’t realize that it wasn’t my parents financial situation that had fucked me over so b

// Looks is paramount - I worked so hard to be financially stable and didn’t realize that it wasn’t my parents financial situation that had fucked me over so badly in life - it was their dogshit genetics that made me ugly. A guy with a job and a gym membership is more attractive than 90% of men by default. Do you really have a "looks problem" that wouldn't be resolved in 12 months by actively working out, eating well, a good haircut and a great wardrobe?

antisthenes 3y ago
> Do you really have a "looks problem" that wouldn't be resolved in 12 months by actively working out, eating well, a good haircut and a great wardrobe? A gym only takes you so far. There are things out of one's control - height, hair pattern, face shape, etc. Although I do believe that you're right in the sense that not being overweight and having a stable job already places you in the top 10-15% of men. It's just that sometimes it's not enough and looks are pretty important for women (even though it's not often said out loud)
- xyzelement 3y ago
  //It's just that sometimes it's not enough and looks are pretty important for women An obvious counter-point to that are the millions of short/bald/ugly/whatever guys who are married and have kids. FWIW, women are turned off by guys who are gross and don't take care of themselves. A guy who intentionally makes the best of what he's got is already ahead.
  - antisthenes 3y ago
    > An obvious counter-point to that are the millions of short/bald/ugly/whatever guys who are married and have kids. It's a counterpoint only if you don't understand statistics at all. Sure, there are millions of short/bald guys married to women. Out of billions.
    - xyzelement 3y ago
      Getting married isn't a random event like a coin landing on heads... You can bias the outcome pretty much 100% through variables under your control like fitness, neatness, personality, sanity, earning power.
      - antisthenes 3y ago
        No, not 100%. I've already outlined a number of things that are not under one's control. We don't have to keep going in circles. You're free to disagree.
    - red-iron-pine 3y ago
      there are millions of short bald guys who are married just in the US. I can think of, just off the top of my head, like 3+ guys I used to work with. More like 6 if you include friends and my barber. the "I need Looksmaxxing" my appearance is everything screams "I am an incel and can only date supermodels, who seem to reject me"
      - antisthenes 3y ago
        Victim blaming and not understanding how statistics work. You're a real catch!

antisthenes 3y ago

> Do you really have a "looks problem" that wouldn't be resolved in 12 months by actively working out, eating well, a good haircut and a great wardrobe? A gym only takes you so far. There are things out of one's control - height, hair pattern, face shape, etc. Although I do believe that you're right in the sense that not being overweight and having a stable job already places you in the top 10-15% of men. It's just that sometimes it's not enough and looks are pretty important for women (even though it's not often said out loud)

xyzelement 3y ago
//It's just that sometimes it's not enough and looks are pretty important for women An obvious counter-point to that are the millions of short/bald/ugly/whatever guys who are married and have kids. FWIW, women are turned off by guys who are gross and don't take care of themselves. A guy who intentionally makes the best of what he's got is already ahead.
- antisthenes 3y ago
  > An obvious counter-point to that are the millions of short/bald/ugly/whatever guys who are married and have kids. It's a counterpoint only if you don't understand statistics at all. Sure, there are millions of short/bald guys married to women. Out of billions.
  - xyzelement 3y ago
    Getting married isn't a random event like a coin landing on heads... You can bias the outcome pretty much 100% through variables under your control like fitness, neatness, personality, sanity, earning power.
    - antisthenes 3y ago
      No, not 100%. I've already outlined a number of things that are not under one's control. We don't have to keep going in circles. You're free to disagree.
  - red-iron-pine 3y ago
    there are millions of short bald guys who are married just in the US. I can think of, just off the top of my head, like 3+ guys I used to work with. More like 6 if you include friends and my barber. the "I need Looksmaxxing" my appearance is everything screams "I am an incel and can only date supermodels, who seem to reject me"
    - antisthenes 3y ago
      Victim blaming and not understanding how statistics work. You're a real catch!