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To debate a Nazi is to give them a platform, and thanks to the the joys of negativity bias, given equally talented speakers, hatred is about 4x more likely to t

by px43 3y ago

To debate a Nazi is to give them a platform, and thanks to the the joys of negativity bias, given equally talented speakers, hatred is about 4x more likely to to spread than positive messaging. Nazism is a brain parasite that feeds off support from well intentioned people willing to give them a platform. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negativity_bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negativity_bias

gruez 3y ago
>To debate a Nazi is to give them a platform And how well has deplatforming been doing? We tried deplatforming the alt-right for the last decade, and all we've gotten is trump elected, various terrorist attacks, and the jan 6th riots.
- plorkyeran 3y ago
  The alt-right deplatforming started after Trump was elected. Most of the research into the matter has said that deplatforming has worked pretty well, actually.
  - gruez 3y ago
    >The alt-right deplatforming started after Trump was elected Your use of "deplatforming" seems refer to people/communities/organizations getting kicked off sites or commercial service providers, but the comment I replied to was arguing "To debate a Nazi is to give them a platform" which is a broader set of actions. Maybe "deplatforming" is the wrong word to use here, but "refusing to engage alt-right people in debate or giving them recognition" far predates trump's election. >Most of the research into the matter has said that deplatforming has worked pretty well, actually. Source? By what metric?
    - jmye 3y ago
      Feel free to start here, w/r/t the fact that deplatforming works, as much as sympathizers want to pretend it doesn’t. 1) https://www.adl.org/resources/report/bad-gateway-how-deplatforming-affects-extremist-websites https://www.adl.org/resources/report/bad-gateway-how-deplatf... 2) https://twitter.com/gwensnyderPHL/status/1170818436202737667 https://twitter.com/gwensnyderPHL/status/1170818436202737667 3) https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3479525 https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3479525
LightHugger 3y ago
Hi, i've looked a your post history and concluded that you're a nazi based on your penchant for justifying violence towards gay people, though those posts got flagged. It's a good thing you disagree with the premise that you be allowed a valid first chance, or else i might have to consider a reality in which you might be an innocent bystander. But no, into the nazi bin you go.
- pritambaral 3y ago
  > ... your penchant for justifying violence towards gay people I, too, looked through your parent's comment history (their "post history" is blank) and couldn't find what you are referring to. Could you post a link, perhaps? The only thing I could find is this: "Being gay doesn't give you a free pass to wave swastika flags."
BeFlatXIII 3y ago
I agree with you: all public debate is futile, especially if uses anything other than pure words. Winning hearts & minds via debate is entirely based on rhetorical trickery (for the smarter crew) and aesthetic presentation (for everyone else).

by px43 3y ago

gruez 3y ago

>To debate a Nazi is to give them a platform And how well has deplatforming been doing? We tried deplatforming the alt-right for the last decade, and all we've gotten is trump elected, various terrorist attacks, and the jan 6th riots.

plorkyeran 3y ago
The alt-right deplatforming started after Trump was elected. Most of the research into the matter has said that deplatforming has worked pretty well, actually.
- gruez 3y ago
  >The alt-right deplatforming started after Trump was elected Your use of "deplatforming" seems refer to people/communities/organizations getting kicked off sites or commercial service providers, but the comment I replied to was arguing "To debate a Nazi is to give them a platform" which is a broader set of actions. Maybe "deplatforming" is the wrong word to use here, but "refusing to engage alt-right people in debate or giving them recognition" far predates trump's election. >Most of the research into the matter has said that deplatforming has worked pretty well, actually. Source? By what metric?
  - jmye 3y ago
    Feel free to start here, w/r/t the fact that deplatforming works, as much as sympathizers want to pretend it doesn’t. 1) https://www.adl.org/resources/report/bad-gateway-how-deplatforming-affects-extremist-websites https://www.adl.org/resources/report/bad-gateway-how-deplatf... 2) https://twitter.com/gwensnyderPHL/status/1170818436202737667 https://twitter.com/gwensnyderPHL/status/1170818436202737667 3) https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3479525 https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3479525

LightHugger 3y ago

Hi, i've looked a your post history and concluded that you're a nazi based on your penchant for justifying violence towards gay people, though those posts got flagged. It's a good thing you disagree with the premise that you be allowed a valid first chance, or else i might have to consider a reality in which you might be an innocent bystander. But no, into the nazi bin you go.

pritambaral 3y ago
> ... your penchant for justifying violence towards gay people I, too, looked through your parent's comment history (their "post history" is blank) and couldn't find what you are referring to. Could you post a link, perhaps? The only thing I could find is this: "Being gay doesn't give you a free pass to wave swastika flags."

BeFlatXIII 3y ago

I agree with you: all public debate is futile, especially if uses anything other than pure words. Winning hearts & minds via debate is entirely based on rhetorical trickery (for the smarter crew) and aesthetic presentation (for everyone else).