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> There are 60 times as many privately owned guns in the EU as there are in Montana. > There are 5 time as many guns in the US, but 20 times as many murders.

> There are 60 times as many privately owned guns in the EU as there are in Montana. > There are 5 time as many guns in the US, but 20 times as many murders. gonna need a fact-check on these claims, please, because initial googling reveals these are, at the very least, false or misleading I live in the Northeast US and very few people have guns here. Incidentally, even if it is difficult to purchase a gun, it's trivial to order a crossbow or airbow, which has just as much 1-shot stopping power (although, of course, after that 1 shot, reload can be a problem, less so with the airbow)

zxexz 3y ago
Depends where in the Northeast you are! Half the people in Vermont own a gun, New Hampshire and Maine aren’t much different. NY/RI/MA/CT/NJ have relatively low gun ownership rates, for sure.
AlgorithmicTime 3y ago
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bee_rider 3y ago
What did you find in your search? At least, the gun count seems pretty close, as far as I could tell. https://www.euronews.com/2019/08/05/which-european-country-boasts-the-most-guns- https://www.euronews.com/2019/08/05/which-european-country-b... > Around 46% of all 857 million guns in civilian hands around the world belonged to people living in the United States in 2017, a survey has found. > The European Union's 513 million inhabitants owned a collective 79.8 million firearms in 2017. And the “20 times as many murders” is not right, but seems to be pretty close if they were just taking about firearms homicides. https://www.healthdata.org/news-events/insights-blog/acting-data/gun-violence-united-states-outlier#:~:text=Including%20physical%20violence%2C%20suicide%2C%20and,number%20jumps%20to%20nearly%2015%25 https://www.healthdata.org/news-events/insights-blog/acting-.... > Age-adjusted firearm homicide rates in the US are 13 times greater than they are in France, and 22 times greater than in the European Union as a whole. I also live in the Northeast, but that’s a point against when talking about this stuff; when you live in the only reasonably run part of the US, it is easy to misunderstand how ridiculous things are in much of the country.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  Gun ownership is not evenly distributed. Their are as many guns as citizens in the US, but out of ten people, 8 have no guns, 1 has a single handgun, and 1 has 10 guns.
  - bee_rider 3y ago
    That isn’t really a fact-checking issue, though, it is an alternative interpretation of the data. I think your post is a fine way to begin a reasonable argument. I actually don’t care to argue back. I object to the argument-less fact check request and insinuation that the figures are misleading, on principle. It is annoying to give your conversation partners homework for no reason.

zxexz 3y ago

Depends where in the Northeast you are! Half the people in Vermont own a gun, New Hampshire and Maine aren’t much different. NY/RI/MA/CT/NJ have relatively low gun ownership rates, for sure.

AlgorithmicTime 3y ago

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bee_rider 3y ago

What did you find in your search? At least, the gun count seems pretty close, as far as I could tell. https://www.euronews.com/2019/08/05/which-european-country-boasts-the-most-guns- https://www.euronews.com/2019/08/05/which-european-country-b... > Around 46% of all 857 million guns in civilian hands around the world belonged to people living in the United States in 2017, a survey has found. > The European Union's 513 million inhabitants owned a collective 79.8 million firearms in 2017. And the “20 times as many murders” is not right, but seems to be pretty close if they were just taking about firearms homicides. https://www.healthdata.org/news-events/insights-blog/acting-data/gun-violence-united-states-outlier#:~:text=Including%20physical%20violence%2C%20suicide%2C%20and,number%20jumps%20to%20nearly%2015%25 https://www.healthdata.org/news-events/insights-blog/acting-.... > Age-adjusted firearm homicide rates in the US are 13 times greater than they are in France, and 22 times greater than in the European Union as a whole. I also live in the Northeast, but that’s a point against when talking about this stuff; when you live in the only reasonably run part of the US, it is easy to misunderstand how ridiculous things are in much of the country.

mrguyorama 3y ago
Gun ownership is not evenly distributed. Their are as many guns as citizens in the US, but out of ten people, 8 have no guns, 1 has a single handgun, and 1 has 10 guns.
- bee_rider 3y ago
  That isn’t really a fact-checking issue, though, it is an alternative interpretation of the data. I think your post is a fine way to begin a reasonable argument. I actually don’t care to argue back. I object to the argument-less fact check request and insinuation that the figures are misleading, on principle. It is annoying to give your conversation partners homework for no reason.