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> more complex and thus they actually I could make a similarly unsubstantiated claim that their chips are much faster than RISC-V ones because of that (of cour

by wwtrv 3y ago

> more complex and thus they actually I could make a similarly unsubstantiated claim that their chips are much faster than RISC-V ones because of that (of course they are unambiguously faster it's just that this is not the only reason). And anyway if RISC-V is to become competitive it will have to become much more complex as well..

brucehoult 3y ago
You are incorrect. Debate won't prove it, but it's true and time will tell -- and not very much time, at that.
- wwtrv 3y ago
  > You are incorrect. > Debate won't prove it, I find this (almost) religious style fanaticism about something as mundane as an instruction set quite fascinating.
  - snvzz 3y ago
    Your parent post is throwing braindead CISC dogmatism, blatantly refusing to accept simplicity has inherent value. Brucehoult's response is fitting. RISC-V is inevitable.
    - wwtrv 3y ago
      Exactly. It's really fascinating that people view this as an ideological/religious thing. It might even seem that some treat RISC-V as some sort of a cult? > CISC dogmatism Besides the fact that your understanding of what CISC/RISC means seems to be stuck in the 90s and the distinction is pretty much irrelevant at this point, you do actually realize that ARM is a RISC architecture? > blatantly refusing to accept simplicity has inherent value For microcontrollers? Sure. For high-end/general purpose chips? RISC-V cores will have to implement many 'optional' extension to become competitive.
      - snvzz 3y ago
        >For microcontrollers? Sure. For high-end/general purpose chips? RISC-V cores will have to mplement many 'optional' extension to become competitive. >if RISC-V is to become competitive it will have to become much more complex as well. Yes, by CISC dogmatism, I was referring to this. >blatantly refusing to accept simplicity has inherent value With a touch of CISC propaganda: >seems to be stuck in the 90s and the distinction is pretty much irrelevant at this point Thankfully, you won't have to wait too long, now. RISC-V got on-par feature-wise with x86 and ARM, as of December 2021, while keeping itself simple. >RISC-V enables the best processors The very high performance implementations of RVA22+V will begin to appear as soon as next year. And that'll be the end of it. >RISC-V is inevitable.
  - brucehoult 3y ago
    It's not religious faith, it's engineering knowledge, and having worked with CPU and chip design teams at companies such as Samsung and SiFive. Anyone who knows what they're talking about will tell you the same thing. If you don't want to listen to me then listen to Jim Keller. Or ARM star designer (ARM7TDMI, Thumb2, among others) David Jaggar.

by wwtrv 3y ago

brucehoult 3y ago

You are incorrect. Debate won't prove it, but it's true and time will tell -- and not very much time, at that.

wwtrv 3y ago
> You are incorrect. > Debate won't prove it, I find this (almost) religious style fanaticism about something as mundane as an instruction set quite fascinating.
- snvzz 3y ago
  Your parent post is throwing braindead CISC dogmatism, blatantly refusing to accept simplicity has inherent value. Brucehoult's response is fitting. RISC-V is inevitable.
  - wwtrv 3y ago
    Exactly. It's really fascinating that people view this as an ideological/religious thing. It might even seem that some treat RISC-V as some sort of a cult? > CISC dogmatism Besides the fact that your understanding of what CISC/RISC means seems to be stuck in the 90s and the distinction is pretty much irrelevant at this point, you do actually realize that ARM is a RISC architecture? > blatantly refusing to accept simplicity has inherent value For microcontrollers? Sure. For high-end/general purpose chips? RISC-V cores will have to implement many 'optional' extension to become competitive.
    - snvzz 3y ago
      >For microcontrollers? Sure. For high-end/general purpose chips? RISC-V cores will have to mplement many 'optional' extension to become competitive. >if RISC-V is to become competitive it will have to become much more complex as well. Yes, by CISC dogmatism, I was referring to this. >blatantly refusing to accept simplicity has inherent value With a touch of CISC propaganda: >seems to be stuck in the 90s and the distinction is pretty much irrelevant at this point Thankfully, you won't have to wait too long, now. RISC-V got on-par feature-wise with x86 and ARM, as of December 2021, while keeping itself simple. >RISC-V enables the best processors The very high performance implementations of RVA22+V will begin to appear as soon as next year. And that'll be the end of it. >RISC-V is inevitable.
- brucehoult 3y ago
  It's not religious faith, it's engineering knowledge, and having worked with CPU and chip design teams at companies such as Samsung and SiFive. Anyone who knows what they're talking about will tell you the same thing. If you don't want to listen to me then listen to Jim Keller. Or ARM star designer (ARM7TDMI, Thumb2, among others) David Jaggar.