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You mean like the US in the 50’s? Labeling reducing the pay gap and taxation as socialism is not intellectually honest.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
You're confusing socialism with Soviet communism and the red scare. Some of the EU countries I talked about are social democracies, and are ruled by socialist parties and have socialist policies who's consequences are a healthy lower class at the expense of a hot sw engineering market due to high taxes on businesses. Maybe do some reading before talking fud.
- satvikpendem 3y ago
  Social democracies are not socialist, which means that workers own the means of production. Any other twisting of the word socialism is simply wrong. This changing of definitions is not helpful for both true socialists nor for those who oppose it, as both sides will misunderstand each other. If you mean to say social democratic policies such as high taxes and generous social safety nets, say so, but that is not socialism inherently.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    >Social democracies are not socialist, which means that workers own the means of production You're confusing socialism with communism.
    - satvikpendem 3y ago
      No, I'm not. > socialism: a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. "we want a real democratic and pluralist left party—one which unites all those who believe in socialism" Or, if you want the Marxist definition: > a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism. "socialism is the first stage of the worldwide transition to communism And therefore: > Communism (from Latin communis, 'common, universal') is a left-wing to far-left sociopolitical, philosophical, and economic ideology within the socialist movement, whose goal is the creation of a communist society, a socioeconomic order centered around common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange that allocates products to everyone in the society based on need. A communist society would entail the absence of private property and social classes, and ultimately money and the state (or nation state). Reading further into communist societies: > A communist society is characterized by common ownership of the means of production with free access to the articles of consumption and is classless, stateless, and moneyless, implying the end of the exploitation of labour. How ironic that you tell others to read when you yourself don't know the definitions of words you use.
      - happymellon 3y ago
        Thanks, it gets a bit tiring seeing people claim that any form of fair pay is communism. Especially with things like medical workers, who aren't even state employees in most of Europe.
        satvikpendem 3y ago
        Indeed, it's really something that grinds my gears too, when people don't use socio-politico-economic terms correctly like the above commenter. It just makes it hard for either side to be on the same page when debating because they're essentially using different definitions from one another.
deprecative 3y ago
Just FYI, the apostrophe would go before 50 in that a la '50s rather than as a possessive.

You're confusing socialism with Soviet communism and the red scare. Some of the EU countries I talked about are social democracies, and are ruled by socialist parties and have socialist policies who's consequences are a healthy lower class at the expense of a hot sw engineering market due to high taxes on businesses. Maybe do some reading before talking fud.

satvikpendem 3y ago
Social democracies are not socialist, which means that workers own the means of production. Any other twisting of the word socialism is simply wrong. This changing of definitions is not helpful for both true socialists nor for those who oppose it, as both sides will misunderstand each other. If you mean to say social democratic policies such as high taxes and generous social safety nets, say so, but that is not socialism inherently.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  >Social democracies are not socialist, which means that workers own the means of production You're confusing socialism with communism.
  - satvikpendem 3y ago
    No, I'm not. > socialism: a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. "we want a real democratic and pluralist left party—one which unites all those who believe in socialism" Or, if you want the Marxist definition: > a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism. "socialism is the first stage of the worldwide transition to communism And therefore: > Communism (from Latin communis, 'common, universal') is a left-wing to far-left sociopolitical, philosophical, and economic ideology within the socialist movement, whose goal is the creation of a communist society, a socioeconomic order centered around common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange that allocates products to everyone in the society based on need. A communist society would entail the absence of private property and social classes, and ultimately money and the state (or nation state). Reading further into communist societies: > A communist society is characterized by common ownership of the means of production with free access to the articles of consumption and is classless, stateless, and moneyless, implying the end of the exploitation of labour. How ironic that you tell others to read when you yourself don't know the definitions of words you use.
    - happymellon 3y ago
      Thanks, it gets a bit tiring seeing people claim that any form of fair pay is communism. Especially with things like medical workers, who aren't even state employees in most of Europe.
      - satvikpendem 3y ago
        Indeed, it's really something that grinds my gears too, when people don't use socio-politico-economic terms correctly like the above commenter. It just makes it hard for either side to be on the same page when debating because they're essentially using different definitions from one another.

deprecative 3y ago

Just FYI, the apostrophe would go before 50 in that a la '50s rather than as a possessive.