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I'm glad to live in Europe where people have lots of guns but basically never threaten others with them because they are generally decent folk.

by hoseja 3y ago

robertlagrant 3y ago
Good point. I like to tell the US about how we decent Europeans had to come to the US and stop two world wars that they fought in the Americas.
- what-the-grump 3y ago
  America has been at war for around 225 years. Most of which has been fought outside of America. We just like shooting freedom bullets on other people's land, and when we run out of problems we shoot freedom bullets at each other.
  - robertlagrant 3y ago
    If your thesis is that America should not have entered the world wars because of reasons other than it would've saved American lives to avoid them, I'd love to hear it.
    - mrguyorama 3y ago
      No, the thesis is that coming to Europe in defense of soverign nations does not in any way excuse american domestic policy choices that result in people being worse off. Just like sending aid to Ukraine does not in any way excuse the US of invading a sovereign country in the middle east for fake reasons and then attempting colonialism for 20 years under the guise of "bringing democracy" But you already knew that.
      - robertlagrant 3y ago
        It doesn't matter if I knew or not; it's just not relevent to the topic of whether Europeans are all the decent ones and Americans not.
brazzy 3y ago
There's plenty of non-decent folk in Europe as well. I think the main difference is that it's much less common to fetishize guns, make them part of your everyday life, and belive that you need them to defend your life. Because that belief is the first step towards shooting a guy who disconnects your cable TV because you didn't pay your bills.
mrguyorama 3y ago
It's a lot easier to not shoot someone or get into violent crime in general when you have the option of just taking government assistance and trying to better yourself. In the US, because of obscene paperwork and often actively hostile to poverty policies, it might be easier to just join a gang to survive.

I'm glad to live in Europe where people have lots of guns but basically never threaten others with them because they are generally decent folk.

by hoseja 3y ago

I'm glad to live in Europe where people have lots of guns but basically never threaten others with them because they are generally decent folk.

robertlagrant 3y ago

Good point. I like to tell the US about how we decent Europeans had to come to the US and stop two world wars that they fought in the Americas.

what-the-grump 3y ago
America has been at war for around 225 years. Most of which has been fought outside of America. We just like shooting freedom bullets on other people's land, and when we run out of problems we shoot freedom bullets at each other.
- robertlagrant 3y ago
  If your thesis is that America should not have entered the world wars because of reasons other than it would've saved American lives to avoid them, I'd love to hear it.
  - mrguyorama 3y ago
    No, the thesis is that coming to Europe in defense of soverign nations does not in any way excuse american domestic policy choices that result in people being worse off. Just like sending aid to Ukraine does not in any way excuse the US of invading a sovereign country in the middle east for fake reasons and then attempting colonialism for 20 years under the guise of "bringing democracy" But you already knew that.
    - robertlagrant 3y ago
      It doesn't matter if I knew or not; it's just not relevent to the topic of whether Europeans are all the decent ones and Americans not.

brazzy 3y ago

There's plenty of non-decent folk in Europe as well. I think the main difference is that it's much less common to fetishize guns, make them part of your everyday life, and belive that you need them to defend your life. Because that belief is the first step towards shooting a guy who disconnects your cable TV because you didn't pay your bills.

mrguyorama 3y ago

It's a lot easier to not shoot someone or get into violent crime in general when you have the option of just taking government assistance and trying to better yourself. In the US, because of obscene paperwork and often actively hostile to poverty policies, it might be easier to just join a gang to survive.