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I just watched someone do a sale of a fully loaded glock for a zip during a smoke sesh. Loaded straight into fairly skinny jeans without checking the safety. B

I just watched someone do a sale of a fully loaded glock for a zip during a smoke sesh. Loaded straight into fairly skinny jeans without checking the safety. Bear in mind that handguns are by far the largest contributors to domestic gun-related homicide (intentional and unintentional) and that most gun control safety targets "assault rifles" and other scary shapes. I don't think this is a nightmare we can exit any time in the near future even in the most ideal scenario. About ten years ago, i was buying weed from a cop (i got the hookup through his highschool friend). He bragged that every one of the ten or so AR15s on the wall in his bedroom over his gravity bong and below the bullet holes was registered to a different person. Why he thought that might have interested or impressed me is something I still try to puzzle out on late nights. Interestingly, same city for both events.

thomquaid 3y ago
There is no safety to check on a glock.
- bryanrasmussen 3y ago
  The glock safety is on the back of the grip?
  - Humboldtsnee 3y ago
    The person holding the Glock? Because a Glock doesn't have a safety lever. It's built into the trigger mechanism.
    - Doxin 3y ago
      > It's built into the trigger mechanism. What, so pressing the trigger automatically disengages the safety? As a non-gun-person that seems like an insane design decision.
      - iotku 3y ago
        >What, so [pulling] the trigger automatically disengages the safety? Correct. There's a few other internal safeties to help ensure it doesn't go off unless someone is pulling the trigger and (hopefully) intending to fire. It's still drop safe and not going to go off by itself, but if you fire it (and there's a round in the chamber), it's going off. >As a non-gun-person that seems like an insane design decision There's certainly tradeoffs. It's simpler and you're not going to accidentally forget to disengage a safety at the worst possible time (when you actually need to be using a gun), but it does increase the risk when improperly handling the firearm which is a risk not everyone is cool with for obvious reasons (and even experienced operators (incl. Law Enforcement being generous, which largely carry Glocks) are human and can make mistakes).
        Doxin 3y ago
        > you're not going to accidentally forget to disengage a safety at the worst possible time That's much better than the opposite problem: forgetting to engage the safety and accidentally discharging. > it does increase the risk when improperly handling the firearm I just feel like having to toggle a switch before killing a man is the least you can do to avoid accidents.
        iotku 3y ago
        >That's much better than the opposite problem: forgetting to engage the safety and accidentally discharging. If you're following the firearm safety rules you're not pointed at anything/anybody you don't wish to destroy so it's a moot point. (yourself included, though at least in that case nobody else was harmed needlessly) A safety lockout (or lacktherof) shouldn't be a factor in your pointing of a gun at someone and pulling the trigger. >I just feel like having to toggle a switch before killing a man is the least you can do to avoid accidents. It's extremely rare for someone who isn't being extremely negligent to be in a position where they could "accidently" kill someone. Could a safety prevent such an occurrence? It's very well possible and that might be a reason to prefer a firearm with sufficient safeties that increases your comfort. On the other hand some people decided that they're cautious enough and by in large most people avoid accidents and practice good safety practices to avoid harm should one happen. There's trade offs either way, but ultimately it's preference.
  - solidsnack9000 3y ago
    There are some pistols that have these "grip safeties" -- like 1911s -- but Glocks do not have them.
- diogenes4 3y ago
  Good to know, thank you. Is this true for all Glock models?
solidsnack9000 3y ago
"Registered to a different person" -- for the most part, guns are not registered in the USA. Was this in a state or city with a registry for AR-15s? "Loaded straight into fairly skinny jeans without checking the safety." -- Glocks do not have safeties. The idea with most newer striker-fired pistols, like the Glock, is that the gun goes in a hard-sided (molded nylon or kydex) holster. If it's not in the holster, it's ready to fire. If that is not safe in the situation you are in, put it back in the holster. Rifles, shotguns, &c, are never holstered; so if it is time to fire the weapon, you deactivate the safety; otherwise, it is left on safe. Because pistols have the extra step of being holstered, it turns out be work well in practice not to have the intermediate unholstered-but-safe step.
- avidiax 3y ago
  > "Registered to a different person" -- for the most part, guns are not registered in the USA. Was this in a state or city with a registry for AR-15s? Handguns are registered to a tiny degree. The NICS checks records may be kept only on paper, and are kept by the gun dealer until they close business. Then the BATFE or a related govt. office gets them. By order of congress, this office is not allowed to computerize.
  - solidsnack9000 3y ago
    In some states and in some cities, handguns are registered; but in most states, they are not registered to any degree. A registry connects a particular gun -- a particular serial number -- to a particular person. A NICS check doesn't do that -- it's a criminal background check. Just because you have a NICS check, it doesn't mean you bought any particular gun. You could pass the background check and then decide you don't want the gun after all. You may be referring to a Form 4473 -- the DRoS (Dealer Record of Sale) -- which does record which person received which gun (with serial number) -- and all licensed dealers maintain these records, for all guns they sell (not just handguns). These records form a sort of a search tree, since the manufacturer records which wholesaler the serial number went to the, the wholesaler records the retailer and the retailer records the end user. These records are useful in regulating the traffic in arms; but the decentralized nature of them means that the government can not go on fishing expeditions -- can not just go out and query the database and see what looks interesting today. Here's how the DRoS are used in regulating the arms trade. Say police come across a big box of guns from Colt. They can go to Colt with a suitable warrant and say, hey, where did these go to? And then go to the wholesaler, on down the tree. It turns out this information is often sufficient to localize shady gun dealers who are trying to sell to the mob, the cartels, &c.
actionfromafar 3y ago
He can do 10 separate shootings and the gun and bullets would not be immediately traceable back to him?

thomquaid 3y ago

There is no safety to check on a glock.

bryanrasmussen 3y ago
The glock safety is on the back of the grip?
- Humboldtsnee 3y ago
  The person holding the Glock? Because a Glock doesn't have a safety lever. It's built into the trigger mechanism.
  - Doxin 3y ago
    > It's built into the trigger mechanism. What, so pressing the trigger automatically disengages the safety? As a non-gun-person that seems like an insane design decision.
    - iotku 3y ago
      >What, so [pulling] the trigger automatically disengages the safety? Correct. There's a few other internal safeties to help ensure it doesn't go off unless someone is pulling the trigger and (hopefully) intending to fire. It's still drop safe and not going to go off by itself, but if you fire it (and there's a round in the chamber), it's going off. >As a non-gun-person that seems like an insane design decision There's certainly tradeoffs. It's simpler and you're not going to accidentally forget to disengage a safety at the worst possible time (when you actually need to be using a gun), but it does increase the risk when improperly handling the firearm which is a risk not everyone is cool with for obvious reasons (and even experienced operators (incl. Law Enforcement being generous, which largely carry Glocks) are human and can make mistakes).
      - Doxin 3y ago
        > you're not going to accidentally forget to disengage a safety at the worst possible time That's much better than the opposite problem: forgetting to engage the safety and accidentally discharging. > it does increase the risk when improperly handling the firearm I just feel like having to toggle a switch before killing a man is the least you can do to avoid accidents.
        iotku 3y ago
        >That's much better than the opposite problem: forgetting to engage the safety and accidentally discharging. If you're following the firearm safety rules you're not pointed at anything/anybody you don't wish to destroy so it's a moot point. (yourself included, though at least in that case nobody else was harmed needlessly) A safety lockout (or lacktherof) shouldn't be a factor in your pointing of a gun at someone and pulling the trigger. >I just feel like having to toggle a switch before killing a man is the least you can do to avoid accidents. It's extremely rare for someone who isn't being extremely negligent to be in a position where they could "accidently" kill someone. Could a safety prevent such an occurrence? It's very well possible and that might be a reason to prefer a firearm with sufficient safeties that increases your comfort. On the other hand some people decided that they're cautious enough and by in large most people avoid accidents and practice good safety practices to avoid harm should one happen. There's trade offs either way, but ultimately it's preference.
- solidsnack9000 3y ago
  There are some pistols that have these "grip safeties" -- like 1911s -- but Glocks do not have them.
diogenes4 3y ago
Good to know, thank you. Is this true for all Glock models?

solidsnack9000 3y ago

"Registered to a different person" -- for the most part, guns are not registered in the USA. Was this in a state or city with a registry for AR-15s? "Loaded straight into fairly skinny jeans without checking the safety." -- Glocks do not have safeties. The idea with most newer striker-fired pistols, like the Glock, is that the gun goes in a hard-sided (molded nylon or kydex) holster. If it's not in the holster, it's ready to fire. If that is not safe in the situation you are in, put it back in the holster. Rifles, shotguns, &c, are never holstered; so if it is time to fire the weapon, you deactivate the safety; otherwise, it is left on safe. Because pistols have the extra step of being holstered, it turns out be work well in practice not to have the intermediate unholstered-but-safe step.

avidiax 3y ago
> "Registered to a different person" -- for the most part, guns are not registered in the USA. Was this in a state or city with a registry for AR-15s? Handguns are registered to a tiny degree. The NICS checks records may be kept only on paper, and are kept by the gun dealer until they close business. Then the BATFE or a related govt. office gets them. By order of congress, this office is not allowed to computerize.
- solidsnack9000 3y ago
  In some states and in some cities, handguns are registered; but in most states, they are not registered to any degree. A registry connects a particular gun -- a particular serial number -- to a particular person. A NICS check doesn't do that -- it's a criminal background check. Just because you have a NICS check, it doesn't mean you bought any particular gun. You could pass the background check and then decide you don't want the gun after all. You may be referring to a Form 4473 -- the DRoS (Dealer Record of Sale) -- which does record which person received which gun (with serial number) -- and all licensed dealers maintain these records, for all guns they sell (not just handguns). These records form a sort of a search tree, since the manufacturer records which wholesaler the serial number went to the, the wholesaler records the retailer and the retailer records the end user. These records are useful in regulating the traffic in arms; but the decentralized nature of them means that the government can not go on fishing expeditions -- can not just go out and query the database and see what looks interesting today. Here's how the DRoS are used in regulating the arms trade. Say police come across a big box of guns from Colt. They can go to Colt with a suitable warrant and say, hey, where did these go to? And then go to the wholesaler, on down the tree. It turns out this information is often sufficient to localize shady gun dealers who are trying to sell to the mob, the cartels, &c.

actionfromafar 3y ago

He can do 10 separate shootings and the gun and bullets would not be immediately traceable back to him?