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I'd rather make my own drink, its not that complicated. The reason most folks go to a bar is to be around other humans, even if it's just thr bartender with a

I'd rather make my own drink, its not that complicated. The reason most folks go to a bar is to be around other humans, even if it's just thr bartender with a few pleasantries and a nod or two. This takes that away, and it's just alcoholism fed by robots. Sad and dystopian in my view.

smashed 3y ago
I was at a pub recently where they had a full kitchen but no waiters. You had to line up around the bar, catch the attention of one of the super busy barmen, yell your food and drink order, pay up, then they prep your drink and give you a buzzer that will eventually tell you to go grab your food yourself at the kitchen window. They had the guts of slapping a mandatory service tip on the bill and the machine asked for an extra tip. I was wondering what service I was actually paying for... At this point of mal-service, I'd take an automated machine.. could not be worse really. Or yes, avoid the experience altogether.
- mensetmanusman 3y ago
  This is what an inverted population pyramid transition starts to feel like. Note that every retiree has about 5 workers supporting them. When we retire it will be about 2.3 workers.
  - soultrees 3y ago
    Do you have any more information on this? Or any leads where to look.
    - badpun 3y ago
      Peter Zeihan's YouTube channel elaborates on that in a very accessible way.
  - rcxdude 3y ago
    Those 5 workers are supporting that retiree, themselves, and other non-workers like children or people with severe disabilities. (This is important to keep in mind, because if you compare the ratios without it it looks a lot more dramatic)
    - mensetmanusman 3y ago
      Yeah, someone should model the predicted “pain” scale of this transition. I don’t think going from 5 to 4 is going to be as linearly painful as 3 to 2.
asu_thomas 3y ago
If you've ever been to Las Vegas, you'd know this is not that kind of bar. It's more comparable to a concession stand at a ballgame.
blockwriter 3y ago
Whoever made the robots should have to stand next to them and listen to your troubles.
Brajeshwar 3y ago
You are looking for Her. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Her_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Her_(film)
aaron695 3y ago
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soultrees 3y ago
And those bars aren’t going anywhere for those reasons you listed. 1 robot bartender =/= all bartenders becoming robotic.
err4nt 3y ago
Making your own drink at a restaurant is not really an option. Human bartenders are hit and miss in terms of quality and consistency, but there's another pressure in human bartending that I wonder if would not be present with metered robots that account for usage and wastage at the level of individual drinks rather than at the level of a work shift. It seems pretty commonplace that liquor bottles are weighed before and after a shift, to measure theft and wastage, so they can figure out who may be giving out free drinks, or taking liquor, etc. This means if a bartender makes a mistake earlier in a shift, they may try to shortchange people later in the same shift so their weights come back okay at the end of the shift, but this is accomplished by overcharging the later customers. I would hope with a robot bartender that I would get exactly what I paid for each time.
- iancmceachern 3y ago
  But that's exactly the point I'm making. The slight differences in each drink, the chaos, the humanity of it all, the Wabi-sabi is what makes the beauty of life. I would take that any day over a robotic alcohol prescription that is identical each time. It's the same thing with batista vs vending machine coffee. One is a celebrated art form, one is not. The practical difference in the product may not be the big difference, it's there, but it's more. It's not that I don't know that a robot would be mote precise, consistent, steal and complain less, on and on. I agree. I just think those things are features not bugs.

smashed 3y ago

I was at a pub recently where they had a full kitchen but no waiters. You had to line up around the bar, catch the attention of one of the super busy barmen, yell your food and drink order, pay up, then they prep your drink and give you a buzzer that will eventually tell you to go grab your food yourself at the kitchen window. They had the guts of slapping a mandatory service tip on the bill and the machine asked for an extra tip. I was wondering what service I was actually paying for... At this point of mal-service, I'd take an automated machine.. could not be worse really. Or yes, avoid the experience altogether.

mensetmanusman 3y ago
This is what an inverted population pyramid transition starts to feel like. Note that every retiree has about 5 workers supporting them. When we retire it will be about 2.3 workers.
- soultrees 3y ago
  Do you have any more information on this? Or any leads where to look.
  - badpun 3y ago
    Peter Zeihan's YouTube channel elaborates on that in a very accessible way.
- rcxdude 3y ago
  Those 5 workers are supporting that retiree, themselves, and other non-workers like children or people with severe disabilities. (This is important to keep in mind, because if you compare the ratios without it it looks a lot more dramatic)
  - mensetmanusman 3y ago
    Yeah, someone should model the predicted “pain” scale of this transition. I don’t think going from 5 to 4 is going to be as linearly painful as 3 to 2.

asu_thomas 3y ago

If you've ever been to Las Vegas, you'd know this is not that kind of bar. It's more comparable to a concession stand at a ballgame.

blockwriter 3y ago

Whoever made the robots should have to stand next to them and listen to your troubles.

Brajeshwar 3y ago

You are looking for Her. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Her_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Her_(film)

aaron695 3y ago

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soultrees 3y ago

And those bars aren’t going anywhere for those reasons you listed. 1 robot bartender =/= all bartenders becoming robotic.

err4nt 3y ago

Making your own drink at a restaurant is not really an option. Human bartenders are hit and miss in terms of quality and consistency, but there's another pressure in human bartending that I wonder if would not be present with metered robots that account for usage and wastage at the level of individual drinks rather than at the level of a work shift. It seems pretty commonplace that liquor bottles are weighed before and after a shift, to measure theft and wastage, so they can figure out who may be giving out free drinks, or taking liquor, etc. This means if a bartender makes a mistake earlier in a shift, they may try to shortchange people later in the same shift so their weights come back okay at the end of the shift, but this is accomplished by overcharging the later customers. I would hope with a robot bartender that I would get exactly what I paid for each time.

iancmceachern 3y ago
But that's exactly the point I'm making. The slight differences in each drink, the chaos, the humanity of it all, the Wabi-sabi is what makes the beauty of life. I would take that any day over a robotic alcohol prescription that is identical each time. It's the same thing with batista vs vending machine coffee. One is a celebrated art form, one is not. The practical difference in the product may not be the big difference, it's there, but it's more. It's not that I don't know that a robot would be mote precise, consistent, steal and complain less, on and on. I agree. I just think those things are features not bugs.