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what's the link between sbf and effectivealtruism.org?
by ikt 3y ago
what's the link between sbf and effectivealtruism.org?
- boxed 3y agoSBF used effective altruism as cover for his fraud. People in the movement swallowed his bs. Like everyone else...
- TheNewsIsHere 3y agoMy opinion is that Effective Altruism is effectively a late-stage capitalist cult of convenience. Anything Sam Altman is near, I stay away from.
- whatshisface 3y agoI can write the following comment about basically anything: The community is a piece of work but the founding ideas are worth learning from.
- VHRanger 3y agoPeter Singers founding ideas, sure. Will MacAskill, nope.
- whatshisface 3y agoI had never heard of the latter.
- rrherr 3y agoPeter Singer, nope. https://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/16/magazine/unspeakable-conversations.html https://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/16/magazine/unspeakable-conv... https://archive.ph/OXXQb https://archive.ph/OXXQb
- whatshisface 3y agoIf saying some crazy things means everything they say is wrong then you'd have to be a Christian Atheist once you put the bible and the complete works of Thomas Paine together.
- ellrob88 3y agoCan you explain your opposition to Singer's views? I understand he argues in favor of legalising voluntary euthanasia, and increased abortion rights. As a non-religious person, his arguments generally seem quite rational to me, but I'm keen to understand more.
- boxed 3y agoIt's not clear she's not just trolling against abortion. Is that what the article is? Because I looked up the author and she was disabled her entire life to to a genetic disease. It seems pretty reasonable to allow abortion for cases like this. Which is why it IS legal and even recommended in most of the western world.
- chrisdirkis 3y agoI disagree with Harriet Johnson in at least a few cases, but the entire thrust of that piece and her argument within is "it's insane that people make judgements on my quality of life, without asking me, and say that I should not be born". You can make that argument and also believe that abortion is an appropriate tool for some cases.
- eru 3y agoWhat you say rings true, but the opposite is also often true. Eg the founding ideas of almost all religions are nuts [0], but the communities are often worth learning from. [0] Most religions' ideas are mutually exclusive, so at most one or zero can be true. The rest must be nuts. Figuring out which, if any, religion is not nuts is left as an exercise for the reader.
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- boxed 3y agoHe was also near to bread and water. Best stay away!
- brewdad 3y agoI’m gluten intolerant, so I’m halfway there.
- BobbyJo 3y agoI can do more good, long term, sitting on wealth at 7% until I'm old and tired, than if I spent it pulling kids out of the third world today. /s
- mtc010170 3y agoHN may not be the best forum to maximize your distance from Sam Altman, if that’s truly a goal.
- Utkarsh_Mood 3y agoSam isnt really a proponent of EA, for what its worth. https://twitter.com/sama/status/1593046526284410880?lang=en https://twitter.com/sama/status/1593046526284410880?lang=en
- ikt 3y agono, he ran a crypto exchange and behind the scenes his companies trading desk used it's own coin as leverage, nothing to do with ea
- boxed 3y agoYea exactly. He just said he did crypto stuff to get money for good things later. Those later things didn't materialize.
- ikt 3y agoJust reading this Atlantic article: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/11/cryptocurrency-effective-altruism-ftx-sam-bankman-fried/672149/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/11/cryptocurr... > Yet this crisis also creates an opportunity. * Effective altruism, the movement, is not the same thing as effective altruism, the practice of financially maximalist and rigorously data-driven philanthropy. * Divorcing the latter from the former would benefit everyone on the planet. I've been wondering why you guys care about some guy who ran a crypto exchange and what that has to do the with the core philosophy of effective altruism but it seems like you've all linked the movement with the philosophy to my chagrin.
- yunwal 3y agoPersonally, I have a few issues with the philosophy of EA that I believe are reflected in the community. 1) I believe the thought leaders behind the philosophy severely downplay the downsides of making money amorally. It’s considered a completely legitimate approach to find the highest paying job you can and donate lots of your salary. High paying jobs that attract EA believers (finance in particular, many areas of tech as well) tend to destabilize the economy, oppress people, and contribute to unreasonable expectations about economic growth that kill our planet. 2) The movement is culturally weak, doesn’t really attempt to branch out of a few men with similar finance/tech backgrounds with huge egos and savior complexes. This, to me, is not how change occurs. Culture is a necessary part of change. Sure, you can provide mosquito nets to malaria-ridden areas of the world, but that doesn’t change a culture of corruption or encourage the next generation to solve the local systemic issues that only they’re capable of fixing. Real movements attempt to change hearts and minds and incorporate different types of people. In other words, movements are inseparable from their community. Any philosophy that doesn’t incorporate community building is not going to be the most effective way of creating positive change.
- karaokeyoga 3y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_altruism#Approaches https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_altruism#Approaches He is mentioned here (in "Donation"), FWIW.