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"Try" is doing a lot there. I can't see how Arm is even worth the $32 billion SoftBank paid for them now. RISC-V didn't exist outside of Berkeley in 2016 when
by brucehoult 3y ago
"Try" is doing a lot there.
I can't see how Arm is even worth the $32 billion SoftBank paid for them now. RISC-V didn't exist outside of Berkeley in 2016 when SoftBank bought Arm, but now it's becoming a serious rival and especially a serious limitation on how much Arm can raise prices.
Arm have around 2.7 billion in annual sales with $500m or $600m of profit.
That makes $32b a P/E ratio of 50 to 60, and $50b a P/E ratio of 80 to 100.
In simple terms, if you pay $50 billion to buy Arm, and they make the same profit every year as they are making now, it will take 80 to 100 years for you to make your investment back.
It's like putting your money into a bank paying 1% interest, but a lot riskier.
Such P/E ratios can only be justified by the company and its profits growing rapidly.
Arm's revenue actually fell 1% from 2022 to 2023. The last four years have been roughly 2.0, 2.7, 2.75, 2.7.
Is that a peak, and it's only downhill from now on, because of RISC-V (or otherwise). Or will they start to grow again?
Either way, it sure doesn't look like the very high annual growth rate needed to justify a price of $30b let alone $50b.
- OhMeadhbh 3y ago> In simple terms, if you pay $50 billion to buy Arm, and they make the same profit every year as they are making now, it will take 80 to 100 years for you to make your investment back. But that's not how you make money by purchasing companies. You make money by buying the company low and then selling the company high. So if you bought ARM for $50B and sold it for $70B in 5 years, you would make $20B on an investment of $50B But I'm certainly not in the position to guess how much ARM would appreciate over the next 5 years. I pulled that example out of a hat (or some other, less polite to mention part of my anatomy.)
- brucehoult 3y agoSure, that's the principle, but the question is: where do you find the Bigger Fool? Fundamentals count for something, no?