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Then just tax them to hell (aka tariff Apple imports if they move out of the country significantly) if that's the game these companies want to play. They need t

Then just tax them to hell (aka tariff Apple imports if they move out of the country significantly) if that's the game these companies want to play. They need the US customer base and investment base more than the US needs Apple.

scarface_74 3y ago
Yes and raise prices on everyone? How do you just “tax Apple” and not everyone else?
- paulryanrogers 3y ago
  Based on share of profits for any given market, like smartphones or laptops.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    You realize Apple has less than 20% of the PC market? Every company already pays taxes on profits
    - paulryanrogers 3y ago
      I said "share of profits". Though perhaps I should have said revenue. Regardless Apple has 85% of smartphone profit. And its share of services on mobile and laptops is growing.
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        And I fail to see the difference. If Apple has 85% of the profits in cell phones, it’s already paying 85% of the taxes in the cell phone market.
        paulryanrogers 3y ago
        This isn't about the taxes (which they mostly dodge or pass on to consumers). It's about choice. With a chokehold on market revenue they crowd out competitors which reduces consumer choice over time.
        scarface_74 3y ago
        Whose fault is it that Amazon, Facebook and Google - all trillion dollar market cap companies are not able to compete? Amazon and Facebook both tried creating their own phone. Consumers have choice. They can buy from Apple or any number of much cheaper Android devices. They made a choice to pay Apple more. It’s consumers making a choice that led to Apple’s revenue. Both Google and Microsoft have better services than Apple and they still can’t compete. Google is worth a trillion dollars plus, have their own operating system and has the most visited page on the internet and still is estimated to sell as many phones in a year that Apple sells in less than a month. It’s not Apple being anti-competitive. It’s the competitors - all large companies - being incompetent. In the computer space, Apple was a nobody and almost bankrupt compared to Dell and HP in 1997 when Jobs came back. Why were they so incompetently run? Why couldn’t Microsoft make a competitive ARM chip?
        paulryanrogers 3y ago
        As more government and banking requires iOS or Android people are forced into a duopoly. If not for regulated standards like SQL or laws protecting clean room reverse engineering would we still be locked into IBM today? Apple lucked into a chockpoint. They had plenty of opportunities, even if less than other giants. Now giants sit like bridge trolls demanding a tax to cross. The market is not healthy when so few players have so much control.
        scarface_74 3y ago
        SQL is not a “regulated” standard. Even something as simple as limiting the number of rows returned is different for different databases. Let alone specifying hints and locking semantics.

scarface_74 3y ago

Yes and raise prices on everyone? How do you just “tax Apple” and not everyone else?

paulryanrogers 3y ago
Based on share of profits for any given market, like smartphones or laptops.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  You realize Apple has less than 20% of the PC market? Every company already pays taxes on profits
  - paulryanrogers 3y ago
    I said "share of profits". Though perhaps I should have said revenue. Regardless Apple has 85% of smartphone profit. And its share of services on mobile and laptops is growing.
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      And I fail to see the difference. If Apple has 85% of the profits in cell phones, it’s already paying 85% of the taxes in the cell phone market.
      - paulryanrogers 3y ago
        This isn't about the taxes (which they mostly dodge or pass on to consumers). It's about choice. With a chokehold on market revenue they crowd out competitors which reduces consumer choice over time.
        scarface_74 3y ago
        Whose fault is it that Amazon, Facebook and Google - all trillion dollar market cap companies are not able to compete? Amazon and Facebook both tried creating their own phone. Consumers have choice. They can buy from Apple or any number of much cheaper Android devices. They made a choice to pay Apple more. It’s consumers making a choice that led to Apple’s revenue. Both Google and Microsoft have better services than Apple and they still can’t compete. Google is worth a trillion dollars plus, have their own operating system and has the most visited page on the internet and still is estimated to sell as many phones in a year that Apple sells in less than a month. It’s not Apple being anti-competitive. It’s the competitors - all large companies - being incompetent. In the computer space, Apple was a nobody and almost bankrupt compared to Dell and HP in 1997 when Jobs came back. Why were they so incompetently run? Why couldn’t Microsoft make a competitive ARM chip?
        paulryanrogers 3y ago
        As more government and banking requires iOS or Android people are forced into a duopoly. If not for regulated standards like SQL or laws protecting clean room reverse engineering would we still be locked into IBM today? Apple lucked into a chockpoint. They had plenty of opportunities, even if less than other giants. Now giants sit like bridge trolls demanding a tax to cross. The market is not healthy when so few players have so much control.
        scarface_74 3y ago
        SQL is not a “regulated” standard. Even something as simple as limiting the number of rows returned is different for different databases. Let alone specifying hints and locking semantics.