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Wayland never fails to impress me with how much stuff has still been left out (are screenshots still broken?) that it hardly shocks me to learn that it doesn't

Wayland never fails to impress me with how much stuff has still been left out (are screenshots still broken?) that it hardly shocks me to learn that it doesn't support screensavers. Progress over many years worth of time. This is why whenever people ask me what display I run it's always X. X is a piece of work for sure but it's the only display server that actually works for almost every conceivable use case. Despite all the time and effort Wayland devs have spent to try and wrest control over the Linux graphical rendering server they are still a long ways from replacing X for good.

bravetraveler 3y ago
Screenshots have been working for me for years with grim/slurp One selects the area, the other captures it. The joy of a tiling wm, make your own fun (and success)
genter 3y ago
> Wayland is the poster child for a rewrite that tries to be 'simple' and in doing so over-complicates things by under specification. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37350221 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37350221 (And did JWZ get rid of the special picture for people with Hacker News in the referrer?)
- guiambros 3y ago
  I was thinking the same. This is the second link I click today to jwz.org mostly expecting to see the usual "welcome HN" page, only to be surprised by actual content. Anyone knows if he has grown out of his hatred for HN, or is this just a misconfigured server?
  - NobodyNada 3y ago
    No, HN has started adding the "noreferer" attribute to outgoing links so that sites cannot detect or block HN traffic.
    - guiambros 3y ago
      Ahh, that makes a lot of sense now. Genius, thank you! (Just bummer that a lot of legitimate sites won't be able to figure out who's sending them traffic. But I guess http referer (sic) isn't very reliable these days anyway)
squidbeak 3y ago
I had to abandon it over screenshots. I realise X is deprecated, but it works and it never gives me a reason to notice it. Wayland gave me a few. Till it matures I don't mind sticking with x.
em-bee 3y ago
screenshots on wayland work just fine. as do screen recordings, if you have the right tools that support it. the problem is that apps need to be written specifically for wayland to make that work, and so many apps are broken and can't make screenshots or screen recordings. just this week i tried a few for a quick recording, and none worked. either they got sound or video but not both. what did work was obs with the pipewire plugin. so it can be done, it's just that there are a lot of old apps that haven't been updated yet.
renox 3y ago
> Wayland never fails to impress me with how much stuff has still been left out That's the problem when you replace a desktop system with something which has been designed for the embedded use case, Wayland's proponent always boasted that there had much less line of codes, but of course they had much less features too..

bravetraveler 3y ago

Screenshots have been working for me for years with grim/slurp One selects the area, the other captures it. The joy of a tiling wm, make your own fun (and success)

genter 3y ago

> Wayland is the poster child for a rewrite that tries to be 'simple' and in doing so over-complicates things by under specification. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37350221 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37350221 (And did JWZ get rid of the special picture for people with Hacker News in the referrer?)

guiambros 3y ago
I was thinking the same. This is the second link I click today to jwz.org mostly expecting to see the usual "welcome HN" page, only to be surprised by actual content. Anyone knows if he has grown out of his hatred for HN, or is this just a misconfigured server?
- NobodyNada 3y ago
  No, HN has started adding the "noreferer" attribute to outgoing links so that sites cannot detect or block HN traffic.
  - guiambros 3y ago
    Ahh, that makes a lot of sense now. Genius, thank you! (Just bummer that a lot of legitimate sites won't be able to figure out who's sending them traffic. But I guess http referer (sic) isn't very reliable these days anyway)

squidbeak 3y ago

I had to abandon it over screenshots. I realise X is deprecated, but it works and it never gives me a reason to notice it. Wayland gave me a few. Till it matures I don't mind sticking with x.

em-bee 3y ago

screenshots on wayland work just fine. as do screen recordings, if you have the right tools that support it. the problem is that apps need to be written specifically for wayland to make that work, and so many apps are broken and can't make screenshots or screen recordings. just this week i tried a few for a quick recording, and none worked. either they got sound or video but not both. what did work was obs with the pipewire plugin. so it can be done, it's just that there are a lot of old apps that haven't been updated yet.

renox 3y ago

> Wayland never fails to impress me with how much stuff has still been left out That's the problem when you replace a desktop system with something which has been designed for the embedded use case, Wayland's proponent always boasted that there had much less line of codes, but of course they had much less features too..