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I'm only basing this on what I've read in the comments: I can see why people would be against creating another identity group. Labeling people into further and

I'm only basing this on what I've read in the comments: I can see why people would be against creating another identity group. Labeling people into further and further refined identities and pushing victimhood on people in certain labels has a downside. I don't personally know enough to have a side in this, and I don't live there anyway, just speculating why some might disagree with it. Certainly if we end up with "people from Caste X are encouraged to apply" I can see that as offputting.

callalex 3y ago
Protected classes and diversity quotas are nearly unrelated. For example, I have never heard of a hiring quota for people without arms, but they are certainly a protected class.
- onetimeusename 3y ago
  >Protected classes and diversity quotas are nearly unrelated. That's not true. Here is what EEOC says it includes: race, color, religion, sex (including pregnancy, sexual orientation, or gender identity), national origin, age (40 or older), disability and genetic information (including family medical history).[1] So it's not clear why caste discrimination doesn't already fall under religious discrimination and most of these groups are associated with diversity quotas. That's not a clearly defined concept but we all generally associate diversity quotas with race, gender identity, and ethnicity. I generally think there is a big overlap between diversity quotas and protected classes. It's a clear logical link. If caste were added to diversity quotas (or even protected status) I just think it would create perplexing situations where a totally foreign concept of caste is used to justify things in American law like protecting low caste voter rights despite no history of that ever being a problem or suing non-Hindus for caste discrimination under disparate impact legal concepts despite no animus. Or universities in the US tracking caste in DEI statements and admissions essays which they consider for adversity scores. Would that be fair to Americans? Is there even proof that low caste Indians are generally facing adversity in the US or is it only in specific situations with other Indians? What if they actually earn more than the average US income but get added to diversity quotas? [1]: https://www.eeoc.gov/employers/small-business/3-who-protected-employment-discrimination https://www.eeoc.gov/employers/small-business/3-who-protecte...
hef19898 3y ago
Those caste based identity groups exist for a couple of millenia already. It is the people who benefit from those existing identity groups that oppose the bill.

callalex 3y ago

Protected classes and diversity quotas are nearly unrelated. For example, I have never heard of a hiring quota for people without arms, but they are certainly a protected class.

onetimeusename 3y ago
>Protected classes and diversity quotas are nearly unrelated. That's not true. Here is what EEOC says it includes: race, color, religion, sex (including pregnancy, sexual orientation, or gender identity), national origin, age (40 or older), disability and genetic information (including family medical history).[1] So it's not clear why caste discrimination doesn't already fall under religious discrimination and most of these groups are associated with diversity quotas. That's not a clearly defined concept but we all generally associate diversity quotas with race, gender identity, and ethnicity. I generally think there is a big overlap between diversity quotas and protected classes. It's a clear logical link. If caste were added to diversity quotas (or even protected status) I just think it would create perplexing situations where a totally foreign concept of caste is used to justify things in American law like protecting low caste voter rights despite no history of that ever being a problem or suing non-Hindus for caste discrimination under disparate impact legal concepts despite no animus. Or universities in the US tracking caste in DEI statements and admissions essays which they consider for adversity scores. Would that be fair to Americans? Is there even proof that low caste Indians are generally facing adversity in the US or is it only in specific situations with other Indians? What if they actually earn more than the average US income but get added to diversity quotas? [1]: https://www.eeoc.gov/employers/small-business/3-who-protected-employment-discrimination https://www.eeoc.gov/employers/small-business/3-who-protecte...

hef19898 3y ago

Those caste based identity groups exist for a couple of millenia already. It is the people who benefit from those existing identity groups that oppose the bill.