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a few points: 1. this speaks nothing to China's R&D. 2. SMIC's 7nm was developed in 2020, largely made possible by former TSMC engineers, like Mong Sang Liang
by tooltalk 3y ago
a few points:
1. this speaks nothing to China's R&D.
2. SMIC's 7nm was developed in 2020, largely made possible by former TSMC engineers, like Mong Sang Liang, former head of TSMC's R&D, and now co-CEO of SMIC. China already had all the tools and lithos required for 7/5nm at this point.
3. main challenge was not of "if," but how fast they would improve efficiency, cost-effectiveness and yield rates at scale without ASML's EUVs.
4. most key executives at TSMC hold advanced graduate degrees from US universities and were trained at various US tech companies before returning to Taiwan (eg, Morris Chang, C. C. Wei). And they still send their kids to US universities.
5. US sanction was too little, too late. the most cutting edge 3nm would be difficult without EUV's, but Mong Sang Liang stated that 5nm was almost complete back in 2020.
- sandGorgon 3y agodid they build their own litho machines ? Breaking ASML monopoly here ?
- tooltalk 3y agosee #1. China doesn't really have their supply-chain of their own. SMIC's 7nm in particular runs on ASML DUV's. China's most advanced litho maker is SMEE. It was reported that their most cutting-edge node 28nm would be mass-produced this year, but don't hold your breath -- they've been saying it for at least a couple of years now.
- tooltalk 3y agoSMIC's 7/5nm use ASML's Twinscan NXT:2000i deep ultraviolet DUV. According to SCMP, SMIC can import them until 2024 as the new restriction in the Netherland/Japan doesn't kick in until then.
- rfoo 3y agoRumor says it uses 1980Di.