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on occasion Exactly. These are stunts designed to keep morale high, in Ukraine and the West. Their impact on the outcome of the war is negligible. These are Uk
by rainworld 3y ago
on occasion
Exactly. These are stunts designed to keep morale high, in Ukraine and the West. Their impact on the outcome of the war is negligible. These are Ukraine + NATO dealing as much damage as they think they can get away with. And Russia absorbing the blows because the alternative—open conflict with NATO and curtailing the freedoms of millions of Ukrainians in Russia[0]—is considered a worse option. For now at least.
The Russian use of drones appears to be less effective then the Ukrainian use for whatever reason.
But thanks to the censorship in place we wouldn’t know, would we? In fact, Ukrainian officials have admitted more than once that the Russians know exactly what they are hitting. And the effectiveness of Ukrainian air defense is obviously way exaggerated.[1] The fact that Ukrainians have admittedly lost more than one fighter jet trying to shoot down drones and cruise missiles is telling.
will surely change some ways that wars are fought
Yes. No one is safe from this, every defense can be (fairly cheaply) overwhelmed.
But the situation here is unique in that Ukrainians can pretend they are not paying the price, and Russia does not respond with significant escalation. For now at least. As for NATO, well, they are paying a price. Bunkers containing NATO officers have been busted. Flimsy cover stories of freak accidents. Remember that B-2 going up in flames? Happened shortly after the attacks on Russian nuclear bases. Predictable, professional, restrained. All in all it’s something, but not enough to deter NATO, or even stop them from escalating slowly.
But then "Putin is someone who generally thinks that revenge is a dish best served cold," [CIA director] Burns said at an annual security forum in Aspen.
[0]: For these attacks usually have a local component. And from the flight patterns of NATO planes we can tell that Western ISR is essential to attacks on Crimea, for example.
[1]: A thing never talked about is the price paid by civilians. For there is a cost if you do AD over populated areas, you are trading civilians for military targets. Which, 18 months in, shouldn’t be located in cities in the first place. Random impacts of AD missiles, both Soviet and Western, are well documented. As are impacts of debris and downed missiles/drones, of course.
- jnsaff2 3y agoLets not forget that russia uses drones and missiles for attacking grain terminals in ports, civilian infrastructure, restaurants, maternity wards and drama theathers where the word "children" is written so big that it could be seen from space. So your glee at terrorists doing not so bad is very telling at what kind of society russian is.
- rainworld 3y agoScience has shown that responding to literal NAFO accounts[0] in good faith is a complete waste of time. [0]: https://x.com/jnsaff https://x.com/jnsaff
- jnsaff2 3y agoCan’t tell which of you have less there: science or good faith. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdhsPQEX0AALM9H?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdhsPQEX0AALM9H?format=jpg&name=...
- _kbh_ 3y ago> Exactly. These are stunts designed to keep morale high, in Ukraine and the West. Their impact on the outcome of the war is negligible. These are Ukraine + NATO dealing as much damage as they think they can get away with. And Russia absorbing the blows because the alternative—open conflict with NATO and curtailing the freedoms of millions of Ukrainians in Russia[0]—is considered a worse option. For now at least. I think it’s more than that, they do make a hit to capability albeit they would degrade some slowly. They also target specific units generally those ones that are launching the cruise missile attacks on Ukraine, or more recently airborne bases or groups have been involved in the war. > But the situation here is unique in that Ukrainians can pretend they are not paying the price, and Russia does not respond with significant escalation. For now at least. These drones aren’t expensive so the price is a bit of a moot point really, the cardboard drones that have been rumoured to be used in one of the attacks only cost 3k, and the Ukrainian long range beaver drones are only 100k Both of these are very cheap. With regards to escalation what is Russia going to do to escalate?, Russia run out of ways to escalate this situation about a month ago when they decided to end the grain deal. And the ships kept coming anyway. > As for NATO, well, they are paying a price. Bunkers containing NATO officers have been busted. I haven’t seen proof of this can you provide a credible source id be interested in seeing if. > But thanks to the censorship in place we wouldn’t know, would we? In fact, Ukrainian officials have admitted more than once that the Russians know exactly what they are hitting. A lot of the proof from Ukrainian hits comes from sat imagery, Russia is more than free to use its sats to get imagery over Ukraine and release it. They don’t for whatever reason. And we know when Russia gets proof of anything (like the single downed Bayrakter TB2 they got) they like to present it front and centre. > And the effectiveness of Ukrainian air defense is obviously way exaggerated.[1] Do you have a source for this?.
- nvy 3y agoNotice rainworld refers to NATO as "them". You are responding to a Russian psyop account.