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Battle of Hodów: When 400 Poles repelled 40,000 Tatars in 1694
- bloopernova 3y agoPlease forgive my ignorance, but how do you pronounce Hodów?
- sdfghswe 3y agoWhat languages do you speak? If they overlap with mine I can find in those languages the correct sounds. They don't exist in English. EDIT: what the other guy said, google translate is fine
- mateuszf 3y agoYou can use google translate - it pronounces it correctly - https://translate.google.com/?sl=auto&tl=en&text=hod%C3%B3w&op=translate https://translate.google.com/?sl=auto&tl=en&text=hod%C3%B3w&...
- ComputerGuru 3y agoThat’s a rarity. Wikipedia sometimes has IPA pronunciations and even – once in a blue moon – audio snippets that I trust far more when I don’t know the language. YouTube has content farms that produce 30s clips for “how to pronounce <any word under the sun>”. YT used to be a good option before the content farms took over, now I hear some ridiculous pronunciations just for the sake of the clicks and the ad views and can’t recommend it any more.
- ajuc 3y agoPolish is almost completely phonetic. You can put any polish word there and 99.99% of the time it will read it correctly.
- avereveard 3y agoWell except when it doesn't, I guess. All combination of consonants may unpredictably get rounded down to f (wszystko) ą pronunciation at the end of the word has a wide range of sounds depending on regional accents, ę is the same but worse because it's usually ignored even in common words (część), you have all the usual Ci Cy Ca rules for palatal consonant, except these characters can also be part of longer sequences that are hard coded to a specific sound like szcz that is pronounced like "an untuned FM radio sound"
- hipnoizz 3y agoI would not be so optimistic to say 99%, but I think a lot of things like that could be actually assigned to some rules that are, well, actually applied pretty consistently. E.g. isn't devoicing of 'w' in 'wszystko' just the case of clusters of voiced and voiceless consonants? Similary 'Hodów' shows devoicing consonants at the end of a word. I'm not sure about 'ą' - some examples would handy, but if we are talking about differences due to regional accents then following rules would be perfectly fine. With 'ę' - how do you pronounce 'część' actually? Again, I think the worst that can happen normally would be to be judged as 'ą ę'* ;) I think that in general Polish pronunciation is fairly 'regular' and with applying just a few rules you would be almost always OK. Obviously I haven't try to learn Polish as my second language. * For non-Polish speakers - if someone is 'ą ę' it means that (among others) he/she tries to be overly 'correct' in pronunciation.
- avereveard 3y agoWell ę in część is without the n never heard it with n, but I definitely use the n in words like jęzik, so yeah you cannot generalize between those nasals and "say n if it's in the middle of a word" only goes so far Ą is a bit more regular at that, so usually loses the n when at the end of a word and never heard without n when in the middle of a word, except in places like Warsaw, and other cities up north, where I was called out as gòralski (which is funny considering I'm Italian, I guess I'm learning polish wrong but convincingly enough)
- mateuszf 3y agoThe accent is not great, but the pronounciation sounds good to me.
- knapcio 3y agoMaybe something like: hodoov
- horeszko 3y agoHodoof if it where spelled in English. V is probably the correct letter to use for W instead of F but its sounds closer to F when pronounced
- H8crilA 3y agoYou can also go to Cyrillic and then use the standard English transliteration: Hodów -> Ходув -> Khoduv. Though it might also have been Годов -> Hodov, with the Г pronounced in the Ukrainian / Belarusian / Ruthenian way, as a throaty H. Seeing old Polish names through those languages is often a worthwhile enterprise. EDIT: I forgot to do the obvious, and check the current name of the town: Годів - Hodiv - https://maps.app.goo.gl/h6zA61k6CNTAEf787 https://maps.app.goo.gl/h6zA61k6CNTAEf787. Here Г is pronounced as a throaty H.
- uoaei 3y agoFor additional context, Polish words are always pronounced with emphasis on the second-to-last syllable. So `HO-doof`.
- jjtheblunt 3y agoGrzmot? How about surnames? Jóźwiak -> yoo-ZHVI-ak or YOOZH-vi-ak?
- piotrke 3y agoHehe! A good one!
- oneshtein 3y agoYOOZH-viak grzmOt
- jjtheblunt 3y agooh interesting point: the slavic y+{a,e,i,o,u} thing turns those surnames ending in consonant+iak into a single syllable, whereas in germanic the y would be a glide, demarcation of a syllable to its left and another to its right?
- hipnoizz 3y ago'grzmot' has just one syllable, right (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/grzmot https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/grzmot). So yes, you can't stress the penultimate one, as it isn't there. ;-) I think 'Jóźwiak' would be syllabified as 'Jóź-wiak' or 'Jó-źwiak'. I may be wrong, I think we don't have always just one way to syllabify a word in Poland.
- hipnoizz 3y agoOne exception would be words loaned from Greek, like 'matematyka' or 'fizyka'. But I think they are being 'assimilated' so one can say that they do not count anyway. Polish has also a fairly rich system of prefixes and suffixes and I think some of them would result in stressing some other syllable than the second to last (penultimate).
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- Otek 3y agoBite your tongue and say: HODOR!
- mateuszf 3y agoAs a Polish guy - I would not trust a single thing shown in the national propagandist TVP television. It's really weird to see this on Hacker News.
- glanzwulf 3y agoWell, questionable original source aside, just went on a rabbithole in wikipedia reading about it. Or do you consider wikipedia also propagandist?
- mateuszf 3y agoI'm not saying that the article is untrue. I'm not a historian. What I'm saying is that all content from this source should be treated with high skepticism.
- ajuc 3y agoThe battle happened, there's no doubt. I agree TVP is biased as f. tho. Think Fox News if Trump was in power and Fox was state media.
- brazzy 3y agoWikipedia absolutely can be propagandist. It's an incredibly attractive target for propagandists trying to insert their views and spins, and while the community generally manages to keep a rein on that for topic that get international attention, those which don't can be effectively captured by coordinated groups. To say nothing about the smaller international Wikipedias.
- oneshtein 3y agoWikipedia is extremely good at keeping and reinforcing a most popular point of view. Russians are using Wikipedia a lot, for example.
- tetromino_ 3y agoMany English Wikipedia articles about Eastern European history are propaganda from one of the sides. In some cases it's a deliberate effort by irredentist editors from whichever country to push their cause; in other cases, it's a result of editors from outside the region who can't read any of the the relevant languages and therefore don't understand that they are using biased sources uncritically.
- Etheryte 3y agoWikipedia also has a brief article on the matter, the writing style there might be a bit more neutral: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hod%C3%B3w https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hod%C3%B3w
- CrzyLngPwd 3y agoIt sounds so implausible that it may as well be a pro-ukraine piece published on the BBC.