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If I understand correctly, the problem hasn't been the organisational team, but David Tolnay himself. Who intervened with the help of Josh(?). In his own words:

If I understand correctly, the problem hasn't been the organisational team, but David Tolnay himself. Who intervened with the help of Josh(?). In his own words: Josh was aware of this from his role as not only language co-lead, but also member of the RustConf program committee1. I expressed forceful skepticism that the compile-time introspection work, which I had been passively following with great interest, would achieve a state that would be suitable for a RustConf keynote in time for 2023 RustConf, for lack of adequate lang team iteration (neither for the Rust Foundation grant selection, nor conference presentation) to land well with the RustConf audience. From https://gist.github.com/dtolnay/7f5da4bf057b7c6d0d00c6bed3060b96 https://gist.github.com/dtolnay/7f5da4bf057b7c6d0d00c6bed306...

amluto 3y ago
I was once invited to give a talk (which was more or less a keynote, although I don’t think the word “keynote” was used) at a major conference. I was specifically invited to talk about my work on X. IMO it would have been really odd for anyone on the program committee to subsequently say “well, I’m skeptical that project X will pan out — maybe the talk should just be a regular track talk about X or a plenary talk about Y instead” after the invitation was given. It’s not as though giving a talk implies any particularly strong endorsement by the community at large that the subject is going to pan out. And if the talk is just about “whatever the speaker is working on”, then there is absolutely no implied endorsement of what they end up talking about.
- frostburg 3y ago
  It's not merely odd, it's a crass (if low stakes) power play by someone obviously intent on sabotage (might be personal, might be related to a perceived fiefdom etc.).
  - amluto 3y ago
    That part is not obvious to me as an outsider. And framing something that shouldn’t have been done as a power play, when it could as easily have been simple ineptitude or some other issue, seems like it weakens the argument and escalates the situation. Plenty of people who haven’t really thought about how conferences should work end up on committees running conferences, kind of like how plenty of developers end up as high level reviewers or managers regardless of their qualifications.
    - frostburg 3y ago
      It's theoretically possibile that it's ineptitude, but only barely; if "I don't think that this feature is ready yet, so I will anonimously lobby behind the scenes to avoid it being talked about in public" is the strongest exculpatory explanation that someone can find for their actions... Also, being inept and clinging to one's position isn't a good look either.

amluto 3y ago

I was once invited to give a talk (which was more or less a keynote, although I don’t think the word “keynote” was used) at a major conference. I was specifically invited to talk about my work on X. IMO it would have been really odd for anyone on the program committee to subsequently say “well, I’m skeptical that project X will pan out — maybe the talk should just be a regular track talk about X or a plenary talk about Y instead” after the invitation was given. It’s not as though giving a talk implies any particularly strong endorsement by the community at large that the subject is going to pan out. And if the talk is just about “whatever the speaker is working on”, then there is absolutely no implied endorsement of what they end up talking about.

frostburg 3y ago
It's not merely odd, it's a crass (if low stakes) power play by someone obviously intent on sabotage (might be personal, might be related to a perceived fiefdom etc.).
- amluto 3y ago
  That part is not obvious to me as an outsider. And framing something that shouldn’t have been done as a power play, when it could as easily have been simple ineptitude or some other issue, seems like it weakens the argument and escalates the situation. Plenty of people who haven’t really thought about how conferences should work end up on committees running conferences, kind of like how plenty of developers end up as high level reviewers or managers regardless of their qualifications.
  - frostburg 3y ago
    It's theoretically possibile that it's ineptitude, but only barely; if "I don't think that this feature is ready yet, so I will anonimously lobby behind the scenes to avoid it being talked about in public" is the strongest exculpatory explanation that someone can find for their actions... Also, being inept and clinging to one's position isn't a good look either.